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> And if Microsoft is just discounting everything to get your business, that doesn't support the theory of Microsoft dominance. Microsoft has always discounted

> And if Microsoft is just discounting everything to get your business, that doesn't support the theory of Microsoft dominance. Microsoft has always discounted everything for volume licensing. That's how they lock you in.

Analemma_ 9y ago
Hardly any enterprise software companies don’t discount for volume licensing. This is a standard business model, not some sinister Microsoft plot.
- bonesss 9y ago
  In fairness: if management is choosing a Widget vendor, which offers volume licensing, then we're talking about a standard business model in many industries. If management is choosing a Document vendor, one of which is offering cheaper OS licensing in order to lock the purchaser into a treadmill of neverending consultant fees and half-baked integration work where the vendor will constantly push unrelated services and licensing to fix their own products because of walled gardens obscured by lacking technical and business competence on the part of the purchaser, we're talking MS. It's a highly successful strategy, but it undermines their customers and has left a sour taste in many a mouth. I don't know if Embrace, Extend, Extinguish counts as a "sinister plot"... I can't say I'm the most competent here to speak to what lies in the heart of "marketing" or "sales" people, much less at a giant like MS... I can say that the sellers I know would gleefully participate in sinister plots if it meant a better office and parking space.
skookumchuck 9y ago
I'll summarize based on what Microsoft charges: 1. more than the competition - gouging! Those bastards! 2. same as the competition - collusion! Those bastards! 3. less than the competition - locking people in! Those bastards!
- fwgwgwgch 9y ago
  Kinda like how Trump is viewed: I said he is standing up to China and somebody quoted him saying it's great Xi is president for life so that means Trump is not standing up to China. That bastard Trump talks to Taiwan president. That bastrd Trade tariffs: that bastard Top cancelled(bernies biggest point: that bastard

Analemma_ 9y ago

Hardly any enterprise software companies don’t discount for volume licensing. This is a standard business model, not some sinister Microsoft plot.

bonesss 9y ago
In fairness: if management is choosing a Widget vendor, which offers volume licensing, then we're talking about a standard business model in many industries. If management is choosing a Document vendor, one of which is offering cheaper OS licensing in order to lock the purchaser into a treadmill of neverending consultant fees and half-baked integration work where the vendor will constantly push unrelated services and licensing to fix their own products because of walled gardens obscured by lacking technical and business competence on the part of the purchaser, we're talking MS. It's a highly successful strategy, but it undermines their customers and has left a sour taste in many a mouth. I don't know if Embrace, Extend, Extinguish counts as a "sinister plot"... I can't say I'm the most competent here to speak to what lies in the heart of "marketing" or "sales" people, much less at a giant like MS... I can say that the sellers I know would gleefully participate in sinister plots if it meant a better office and parking space.

skookumchuck 9y ago

I'll summarize based on what Microsoft charges: 1. more than the competition - gouging! Those bastards! 2. same as the competition - collusion! Those bastards! 3. less than the competition - locking people in! Those bastards!

fwgwgwgch 9y ago
Kinda like how Trump is viewed: I said he is standing up to China and somebody quoted him saying it's great Xi is president for life so that means Trump is not standing up to China. That bastard Trump talks to Taiwan president. That bastrd Trade tariffs: that bastard Top cancelled(bernies biggest point: that bastard