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Title is misleading. ICE is actually two organizations under a single umbrella. There’s Enforcmenet and Removal Operations (which is what people commonly associ

Title is misleading. ICE is actually two organizations under a single umbrella. There’s Enforcmenet and Removal Operations (which is what people commonly associate with ICE) and there’s Homeland Security Investigations. The article is about HSI. HSI doesn’t “track immigrants” (that’s the ERO), they track criminals. Smugglers, people traffickers, etc.

DennisAleynikov 9y ago
Thank you for clarifying, it's easy to conflate government agencies with opaque operations.
- DrJokepu 9y ago
  A journalist writing about the subject should do their research and due diligence.
twelveoz 9y ago
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3727182-CSS1.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3727182-CSS1.html In this case (referenced in the article), it looks like it was an agent working for ERO who was requesting FB data?
pharrington 9y ago
ERO and HSI are different directorates under the same organization. Confusing two departments of an organization for being two different organizations is like saying a programming team and QA team of a software development company are two different organizations.
- DrJokepu 9y ago
  This is basic proposition logic. A: ICE contains ERO. B: ICE contains HSI. C: ERO tracks immigrants. D: HSI tracks criminals. E: HSI uses Facebook data. The statements above simply don’t imply that “ICE uses Facebook data to track immigrants”. Now as twelveoz pointed it out, a document linked to the article contains information that would imply that, but that information is not included in the body of the article. Whether a department counts as an organization or not is a semantic argument.
AckSyn 9y ago
Thank you for clarifying the distinction. An "immigrant" is someone who is here legally. An "illegal alien" is someone who commits a criminal act by crossing the border without permission. It's very much the purview of these agencies to track criminal activity.

DennisAleynikov 9y ago

Thank you for clarifying, it's easy to conflate government agencies with opaque operations.

DrJokepu 9y ago
A journalist writing about the subject should do their research and due diligence.

twelveoz 9y ago

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3727182-CSS1.html https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/3727182-CSS1.html In this case (referenced in the article), it looks like it was an agent working for ERO who was requesting FB data?

pharrington 9y ago

ERO and HSI are different directorates under the same organization. Confusing two departments of an organization for being two different organizations is like saying a programming team and QA team of a software development company are two different organizations.

DrJokepu 9y ago
This is basic proposition logic. A: ICE contains ERO. B: ICE contains HSI. C: ERO tracks immigrants. D: HSI tracks criminals. E: HSI uses Facebook data. The statements above simply don’t imply that “ICE uses Facebook data to track immigrants”. Now as twelveoz pointed it out, a document linked to the article contains information that would imply that, but that information is not included in the body of the article. Whether a department counts as an organization or not is a semantic argument.

AckSyn 9y ago

Thank you for clarifying the distinction. An "immigrant" is someone who is here legally. An "illegal alien" is someone who commits a criminal act by crossing the border without permission. It's very much the purview of these agencies to track criminal activity.