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Facebook runs a messaging service with ~1.2 billion monthly active users. One of the core features of the product is to integrate with other contacts on your p

Facebook runs a messaging service with ~1.2 billion monthly active users. One of the core features of the product is to integrate with other contacts on your phone, and you have to explicitly enable this feature, agreeing to "ongoing upload" of your "text and call history". Apple runs a messaging service called iMessage. It logs all of your call metadata, SMS history, etc. There is no opt-in, it's just default behavior. Apple also runs iCloud. All of your data is sent there, too, including complete conversations. Can someone for the life of me explain to me what makes Facebook the villain here? Apple does exactly the same thing. Facebook has never sold this data. There is no evidence they've even used the data for anything except its explicitly-stated purpose.

tzahola 9y ago
Apple doesn’t use your data for asdvertisements.
symlinkk 9y ago
> you have to explicitly enable this feature, agreeing to "ongoing upload" of your "text and call history" I don't remember this being explicitly asked of me in any obvious way. And even if it was, I would have assumed they only needed that permission to get a list of contacts on my phone, and that the rest of it would be unused. > Apple runs a messaging service called iMessage Yes, and it's all encrypted and none of it is sent to third-party advertisers or creepy voter manipulation firms. > Facebook has never sold this data. There is no evidence they've even used the data for anything except its explicitly-stated purpose. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambridge-analytica-explained.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambr...
- jlmorton 9y ago
  > I don't remember this being explicitly asked of me in any obvious way. Maybe you didn't. The Facebook app does not collect this data. It's only Facebook Messenger or Facebook Lite. Here is a screenshot of the permission request: https://fbnewsroomus.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/opt-in_screen.png?w=1152&h=2048 https://fbnewsroomus.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/opt-in_scre... > Yes, and it's all encrypted and none of it is sent to third-party advertisers or creepy voter manipulation firms. Yes, and this is all encrypted and none of it has ever been sold, or shared with any other third parties. So what is the difference again? > https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambr.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambr.... This is a completely different issue, and unrelated to the thread.

tzahola 9y ago

Apple doesn’t use your data for asdvertisements.

symlinkk 9y ago

> you have to explicitly enable this feature, agreeing to "ongoing upload" of your "text and call history" I don't remember this being explicitly asked of me in any obvious way. And even if it was, I would have assumed they only needed that permission to get a list of contacts on my phone, and that the rest of it would be unused. > Apple runs a messaging service called iMessage Yes, and it's all encrypted and none of it is sent to third-party advertisers or creepy voter manipulation firms. > Facebook has never sold this data. There is no evidence they've even used the data for anything except its explicitly-stated purpose. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambridge-analytica-explained.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambr...

jlmorton 9y ago
> I don't remember this being explicitly asked of me in any obvious way. Maybe you didn't. The Facebook app does not collect this data. It's only Facebook Messenger or Facebook Lite. Here is a screenshot of the permission request: https://fbnewsroomus.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/opt-in_screen.png?w=1152&h=2048 https://fbnewsroomus.files.wordpress.com/2018/03/opt-in_scre... > Yes, and it's all encrypted and none of it is sent to third-party advertisers or creepy voter manipulation firms. Yes, and this is all encrypted and none of it has ever been sold, or shared with any other third parties. So what is the difference again? > https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambr.. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-cambr.... This is a completely different issue, and unrelated to the thread.