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> Zuckerberg et al are dissembling and attempting what appears to be an incompetently-executed public cover-up I agree that execs probably took too long to mak

by aylmao 9y ago

> Zuckerberg et al are dissembling and attempting what appears to be an incompetently-executed public cover-up I agree that execs probably took too long to make a statement, but out of curiosity, do you have any thoughts on what execs should've done instead, or are you of the opinion that there's really nothing they could've done differently?

Yetanfou 9y ago
Really? It is not so much what they should have done but what they should not have done: they should not have made the decisions which led to their companies ending up in this quagmire. They should have behaved ethically, something which is sure to have been mentioned - even if only in passing - at the Ivy League schools they attended.
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- dictum 9y ago
  Would they even get to a 100B, let alone a half trillion, market cap by always doing the right thing? (Because this is ripe to be picked by the "wow, look at the HN dudebros" crowd: this is not an apology of their practices, it's a real question about corporations and powerful institutions.)
- manjushri 9y ago
  >They should have behaved ethically, something which is sure to have been mentioned - even if only in passing - at the Ivy League schools they attended FB was founded on ethics violations.
sah2ed 9y ago
Facebook did not lack sound advice from competent executives, they just didn't have the spine to do the right thing, because money. One central tension at Facebook has been that of the legal and policy teams versus the security team. The security team generally pushed for more disclosure about how nation states had misused the site, but the legal and policy teams have prioritized business imperatives, said the people briefed on the matter. “The people whose job is to protect the user always are fighting an uphill battle against the people whose job is to make money for the company,” said Sandy Parakilas, who worked at Facebook enforcing privacy and other rules until 2012 and now advises a nonprofit organization called the Center for Humane Technology, which is looking at the effect of technology on people. Alex Stamos, CSO is the one who led the internal tension for better disclosures and the need for Facebook to be more transparent. Of course, it is part of why he was forced to leave, as reported by the NYT [0]. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-alex-stamos.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-alex-...
obmelvin 9y ago
They could have made a genuine effort to ensure the data was actually deleted. The idea that a legal certification would be enough from a company that conducted itself in such a manner is laughable.

by aylmao 9y ago

Yetanfou 9y ago

Really? It is not so much what they should have done but what they should not have done: they should not have made the decisions which led to their companies ending up in this quagmire. They should have behaved ethically, something which is sure to have been mentioned - even if only in passing - at the Ivy League schools they attended.

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dictum 9y ago
Would they even get to a 100B, let alone a half trillion, market cap by always doing the right thing? (Because this is ripe to be picked by the "wow, look at the HN dudebros" crowd: this is not an apology of their practices, it's a real question about corporations and powerful institutions.)
manjushri 9y ago
>They should have behaved ethically, something which is sure to have been mentioned - even if only in passing - at the Ivy League schools they attended FB was founded on ethics violations.

sah2ed 9y ago

Facebook did not lack sound advice from competent executives, they just didn't have the spine to do the right thing, because money. One central tension at Facebook has been that of the legal and policy teams versus the security team. The security team generally pushed for more disclosure about how nation states had misused the site, but the legal and policy teams have prioritized business imperatives, said the people briefed on the matter. “The people whose job is to protect the user always are fighting an uphill battle against the people whose job is to make money for the company,” said Sandy Parakilas, who worked at Facebook enforcing privacy and other rules until 2012 and now advises a nonprofit organization called the Center for Humane Technology, which is looking at the effect of technology on people. Alex Stamos, CSO is the one who led the internal tension for better disclosures and the need for Facebook to be more transparent. Of course, it is part of why he was forced to leave, as reported by the NYT [0]. [0] https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-alex-stamos.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/19/technology/facebook-alex-...

obmelvin 9y ago

They could have made a genuine effort to ensure the data was actually deleted. The idea that a legal certification would be enough from a company that conducted itself in such a manner is laughable.