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And I'm sure you will provide ample evidence of this "vote rigging."

by YurtleTheTurtle 9y ago

fwdpropaganda 9y ago
Are you being sarcastic, or are you not familiar with the leaked DNC e-mails where they discuss this?
- uep 9y ago
  Of course, ironically, the hack and leak of the DNC emails was part of the effort to "rig" the election for Trump.
  - gfosco 9y ago
    What's sad is that you believe this, without any actual evidence, based on pure speculation and rumor.
    - zzzeek 9y ago
      why don't you read the commentary by Wikileaks itself on why these emails were leaked: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/julian-assange-wikileaks-election-clinton-trump/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/julian-assange-wikileaks...
    - uep 9y ago
      Have you followed the news at all? This is not even up for debate. The DNC was hacked and the emails released to hurt Hillary Clinton and to aid the Trump campaign. It is not yet known if the Trump campaign was involved, but it is a fact that the emails were released to aid his campaign. Here are some links: Guccifer 2.0 is the hacker involved in the DNC emails. https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/guccifer-2-0-democratic-national-committee-wikileaks/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/guccifer-2-0-democra... Guccifer 2.0 linked to Russian government. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/dnc-lone-hacker-guccifer-2-0-pegged-as-russian-spy-after-opsec-fail/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/dnc-lone-hacker-... CIA director calls WikiLeaks Russia-aided "non-state hostile intelligence service" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-director-calls-wikileaks-a-non-state-hostile-intelligence-service/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-director-calls-wikileaks-a-... Wikileaks telling Trump campaign they should give them tax returns so that they don't look so biased for Russia https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec... DNC emails released one hour after Access Hollywood tapes https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/politics/one-year-access-hollywood-russia-podesta-email/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/politics/one-year-access-holl... Russia's hate of Clinton is due to the Magnitsky Act, which targets oligarchs in Russia. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbbdx/why-putin-hates-clinton-and-helped-trump-win https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbbdx/why-putin-hates-cl...
  - fwdpropaganda 9y ago
    I'm not saying I disagree with you, but what the purpose was is irrelevant for what the content shows.
yters 9y ago
My understanding is Hillary's nomination came about because she had many of the delegates that don't represent voters, whereas Bernie Sanders had the majority of the votes from those who do represent voters. So, the nomination of Hillary over Sanders was not democratic.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > My understanding is Hillary's nomination came about because she had many of the delegates that don't represent voters, whereas Bernie Sanders had the majority of the votes from those who do represent voters. This is incorrect. Clinton had a majority of the pledged (primary/caucus-determined) delegates, though not an absolute majority of all delegates based on super delegates alone. The early huge advantage in unpledged “superdelegates” played a role in media coverage and the perception of inevitability, and no doubt helped her win, but she got more of the delegates selected by voters than Sanders did.
  - mladenkovacevic 9y ago
    She also had the financial fate of the DNC in her hands, and, as early as 2015, had a secret agreement giving her power of the party's finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Additionally, as per Donna Brazile: "Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff." This is the rigging that took place.
mehrdadn 9y ago
I don't know what you broadly or narrowly classify as "vote rigging", but apparently Elizabeth Warren said the race was rigged [1], and another article [2] explains some of what happened, which "was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity". [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41850798 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41850798 [2] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b...

And I'm sure you will provide ample evidence of this "vote rigging."

fwdpropaganda 9y ago

Are you being sarcastic, or are you not familiar with the leaked DNC e-mails where they discuss this?

uep 9y ago
Of course, ironically, the hack and leak of the DNC emails was part of the effort to "rig" the election for Trump.
- gfosco 9y ago
  What's sad is that you believe this, without any actual evidence, based on pure speculation and rumor.
  - zzzeek 9y ago
    why don't you read the commentary by Wikileaks itself on why these emails were leaked: https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/julian-assange-wikileaks-election-clinton-trump/ https://theintercept.com/2018/02/14/julian-assange-wikileaks...
  - uep 9y ago
    Have you followed the news at all? This is not even up for debate. The DNC was hacked and the emails released to hurt Hillary Clinton and to aid the Trump campaign. It is not yet known if the Trump campaign was involved, but it is a fact that the emails were released to aid his campaign. Here are some links: Guccifer 2.0 is the hacker involved in the DNC emails. https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/guccifer-2-0-democratic-national-committee-wikileaks/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/guccifer-2-0-democra... Guccifer 2.0 linked to Russian government. https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/dnc-lone-hacker-guccifer-2-0-pegged-as-russian-spy-after-opsec-fail/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/03/dnc-lone-hacker-... CIA director calls WikiLeaks Russia-aided "non-state hostile intelligence service" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-director-calls-wikileaks-a-non-state-hostile-intelligence-service/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cia-director-calls-wikileaks-a-... Wikileaks telling Trump campaign they should give them tax returns so that they don't look so biased for Russia https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-secret-correspondence-between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/ https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec... DNC emails released one hour after Access Hollywood tapes https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/politics/one-year-access-hollywood-russia-podesta-email/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/07/politics/one-year-access-holl... Russia's hate of Clinton is due to the Magnitsky Act, which targets oligarchs in Russia. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbbdx/why-putin-hates-clinton-and-helped-trump-win https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/8qbbdx/why-putin-hates-cl...
- fwdpropaganda 9y ago
  I'm not saying I disagree with you, but what the purpose was is irrelevant for what the content shows.

yters 9y ago

My understanding is Hillary's nomination came about because she had many of the delegates that don't represent voters, whereas Bernie Sanders had the majority of the votes from those who do represent voters. So, the nomination of Hillary over Sanders was not democratic.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> My understanding is Hillary's nomination came about because she had many of the delegates that don't represent voters, whereas Bernie Sanders had the majority of the votes from those who do represent voters. This is incorrect. Clinton had a majority of the pledged (primary/caucus-determined) delegates, though not an absolute majority of all delegates based on super delegates alone. The early huge advantage in unpledged “superdelegates” played a role in media coverage and the perception of inevitability, and no doubt helped her win, but she got more of the delegates selected by voters than Sanders did.
- mladenkovacevic 9y ago
  She also had the financial fate of the DNC in her hands, and, as early as 2015, had a secret agreement giving her power of the party's finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Additionally, as per Donna Brazile: "Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff." This is the rigging that took place.

mehrdadn 9y ago

I don't know what you broadly or narrowly classify as "vote rigging", but apparently Elizabeth Warren said the race was rigged [1], and another article [2] explains some of what happened, which "was not a criminal act, but as I saw it, it compromised the party’s integrity". [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41850798 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-41850798 [2] https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-b...