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> protection for him from punishing him due to behavior that is a result of his condition That's an interesting and problematic aspect. My wife is a teacher a

> protection for him from punishing him due to behavior that is a result of his condition That's an interesting and problematic aspect. My wife is a teacher and has started to encounter that attitude more frequently. "He gets angry because he is ${diagnosis}, you can't punish him for it". But when it disrupts the class, and encourages others to behave similarly, then some response is needed to mitigate the situation. There is a responsibility to the class as well as the individual. Defining that response is the problem. In one example from a local school the child was given shorter school hours as an incentive towards controlling their behaviour. Which is exactly the opposite of what 'normals' receive, detention for disruptive behaviour.

sidlls 9y ago
My wife's sister is a teacher, too. I agree that defining that response is the problem. Especially for behavioral issues the balance you note is important. That's why extreme cases (e.g. non-verbal, violent meltdowns) are allowed to be segregated from general education classrooms when necessary. We don't begrudge wheelchair bound students ramps to access rooms. We shouldn't deny children with "${diagnosis}" driven behavior alternatives to punishment when it's appropriate. Edit: For what it's worth, I also think punishment is too often a first-resort by schools for all children. This is a complex issue driven in part by the horrific way we under-fund schools. Many of these problems would be much less significant if we funded schools well enough to provide the support they should (and are legally required to).
cryptonector 9y ago
You have to deal with disruption. No doubt. A typical problem might be that the kid just isn't conscious of things like homework assignments: laziness, or ASD? If laziness, then discipline should help. If ASD then discipline won't help, but therapy might. Knowing really helps. Having the right diagnosis is important. Who wants to end up taking powerful medicines for the wrong condition?? Sure, if you have no diagnosis then you won't take the wrong meds either, but that's not a reason to avoid a diagnosis.
TomK32 9y ago
Disruptive behaviour is just the results, the cause might be exhaustion due to the classroom being to much for the nervous system. Over-sensitive hearing is one common symptom and for me it's hard to imagine how normal people manage to have a conversation in a room with more people having other conversations. Too many kids around, that's too many social interactions that are preferably avoiding. Allowing an autistic kid to stay back in the classroom and not being force to go out to play in the breaks is one solution I've read in a book. Shorter hours, less or no homework, less or no expectations in their learning progress can help. Remember: Autists have to learn and cope with this new social situation first before they have the strength to progress intellectually. But even when the kid is normalizing, careful not to overwhelm them again, because they might use up all their energy for the school day and just break down at home. School is a horrible place if there's the same treatment and the same expectations on every kid.
wolfgke 9y ago
> My wife is a teacher and has started to encounter that attitude more frequently. "He gets angry because he is ${diagnosis}, you can't punish him for it". But when it disrupts the class, and encourages others to behave similarly, then some response is needed to mitigate the situation. Who says this mitigation has to be a punishment? I am also skeptical concerning punishments for neurotypicals in similar situations.

sidlls 9y ago

My wife's sister is a teacher, too. I agree that defining that response is the problem. Especially for behavioral issues the balance you note is important. That's why extreme cases (e.g. non-verbal, violent meltdowns) are allowed to be segregated from general education classrooms when necessary. We don't begrudge wheelchair bound students ramps to access rooms. We shouldn't deny children with "${diagnosis}" driven behavior alternatives to punishment when it's appropriate. Edit: For what it's worth, I also think punishment is too often a first-resort by schools for all children. This is a complex issue driven in part by the horrific way we under-fund schools. Many of these problems would be much less significant if we funded schools well enough to provide the support they should (and are legally required to).

cryptonector 9y ago

You have to deal with disruption. No doubt. A typical problem might be that the kid just isn't conscious of things like homework assignments: laziness, or ASD? If laziness, then discipline should help. If ASD then discipline won't help, but therapy might. Knowing really helps. Having the right diagnosis is important. Who wants to end up taking powerful medicines for the wrong condition?? Sure, if you have no diagnosis then you won't take the wrong meds either, but that's not a reason to avoid a diagnosis.

TomK32 9y ago

Disruptive behaviour is just the results, the cause might be exhaustion due to the classroom being to much for the nervous system. Over-sensitive hearing is one common symptom and for me it's hard to imagine how normal people manage to have a conversation in a room with more people having other conversations. Too many kids around, that's too many social interactions that are preferably avoiding. Allowing an autistic kid to stay back in the classroom and not being force to go out to play in the breaks is one solution I've read in a book. Shorter hours, less or no homework, less or no expectations in their learning progress can help. Remember: Autists have to learn and cope with this new social situation first before they have the strength to progress intellectually. But even when the kid is normalizing, careful not to overwhelm them again, because they might use up all their energy for the school day and just break down at home. School is a horrible place if there's the same treatment and the same expectations on every kid.

wolfgke 9y ago

> My wife is a teacher and has started to encounter that attitude more frequently. "He gets angry because he is ${diagnosis}, you can't punish him for it". But when it disrupts the class, and encourages others to behave similarly, then some response is needed to mitigate the situation. Who says this mitigation has to be a punishment? I am also skeptical concerning punishments for neurotypicals in similar situations.