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I don't see why they bother implying the recent protests have had or will have an effect on Remington. Bankruptcy has been a long time coming due to garbage man

I don't see why they bother implying the recent protests have had or will have an effect on Remington. Bankruptcy has been a long time coming due to garbage management and deteriorating quality. The timing is just coincidental and makes no material difference.

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avs733 9y ago
yeah absolutely this. They tried to make their factory in Upstate NY 'lights out' in the 1980's before the technology was ready. It failed miserably. Since then I don't think they have done anything to advance their manufacturing operations in any meaningful way. Add in that a long history of treating their union employees like garbage has led to a lot of internal disconnect between management, engineering, and labor and you have a situation that is not tuned for long term growth.
lainga 9y ago
To point to as evidence of a firearms company brought low by their movement in action. I doubt many people, if any, in the post-Parkland protest wave are aware of Remington's quality issues, or that there are distinctions between firearms companies at all.
- jmanderley 9y ago
  Next, you're going to tell us it's called a magazine, not a clip.
- ncallaway 9y ago
  > I doubt many people, if any, in the post-Parkland protest wave are aware of Remington's quality issues While I think it's ridiculous to attach the "if any" claim to this sentence, I think the more general claim (the one referencing "many people") is fair. > or that there are distinctions between firearms companies at all. This is an absurd claim to make. You really think that people protesting don't know the difference between various firearm brands and manufacturers? I'm sure they can't all name every brand or manufacturer, but your claim is that most aren't aware that there are distinctions between various firearm companies. That's ludicrous on its face.
  - lainga 9y ago
    I don't think it's so ludicrous -- maybe if there were many people in the protests who were gun owners or former gun owners, but I've only seen a few. Why is someone who has never owned guns, and quite probably doesn't want to, going to know the difference between Armalite and Remington? (Unless maybe they're dedicated activists doing research and pressuring those companies.)
    - ncallaway 9y ago
      Sorry for the delayed response. I interpreted the text of your comment: "or that there are distinctions between firearms companies at all." as saying most in the protests were unaware that there were differences between firearm manufacturers. Not that they would be familiar with what the specific differences were. I think the vast majority of people know that there are differences between firearm manufacturers. I think you're quite correct in the claim that many activists may not be aware of what those specific differences are.
ad_hominem 9y ago
The mask really slips when they mention Fred Meyer (the grocery chain)'s PR about no longer selling guns, as if that has any measurable effect on the gun economy
- ksenzee 9y ago
  Calling Fred Meyer a grocery chain is like calling Walmart a grocery chain. They're essentially a department store with a decent-sized grocery department.
  - slededit 9y ago
    The ones I've been in are roughly 60% grocery store.
  - stormthebeach 9y ago
    It depends on where you are. The AZ version - Fry's - is almost 100% grocery. Whereas other parts of the country I've seen their stores be close to 50/50
- drak0n1c 9y ago
  Unfortunately Reuters and AP have picked up the Fox/CNN style habit of speculatively including other current event stories to support a specific narrative while ignoring other information more relevant to the story - such as Remington's recent management and manufacturing issues.
kevin_thibedeau 9y ago
Their profits are down because the salad days of Obama/Hillary fear induced sales are gone for now. Just shows how poorly run Remington is that they can't plan more than a year into the future.
- fein 9y ago
  Their profits are down because Freedom Group made absolute shit quality firearms with QC issues out the wazoo. Pre FG Rem guns often sell for more than new ones simply because of the manufacturing quality differences. The pro gun community is actually responsible for the Remington issues, as they have been railing on Remington for years now, which really started around the Rem 700 recalls.
Accipitriform 9y ago
They bother implying that because of a political agenda. In point of fact the "hundreds of thousands" of useful idiots will eventually come to understand the real world - and in the meantime little will change. The millions of NRA members alone trump them, and NRA membership has just had a significant jump. "When it's a matter of seconds, the police are only minutes away."
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gnode 9y ago
Particularly as a common effect of expected regulation of firearms is increased sales, as customers try to preempt new legislation. Especially true for laws which focus on sale rather than possession. However, on the other hand, expectation of future regulation may affect expected future revenue and thus present creditability.

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avs733 9y ago

yeah absolutely this. They tried to make their factory in Upstate NY 'lights out' in the 1980's before the technology was ready. It failed miserably. Since then I don't think they have done anything to advance their manufacturing operations in any meaningful way. Add in that a long history of treating their union employees like garbage has led to a lot of internal disconnect between management, engineering, and labor and you have a situation that is not tuned for long term growth.

lainga 9y ago

To point to as evidence of a firearms company brought low by their movement in action. I doubt many people, if any, in the post-Parkland protest wave are aware of Remington's quality issues, or that there are distinctions between firearms companies at all.

jmanderley 9y ago
Next, you're going to tell us it's called a magazine, not a clip.
ncallaway 9y ago
> I doubt many people, if any, in the post-Parkland protest wave are aware of Remington's quality issues While I think it's ridiculous to attach the "if any" claim to this sentence, I think the more general claim (the one referencing "many people") is fair. > or that there are distinctions between firearms companies at all. This is an absurd claim to make. You really think that people protesting don't know the difference between various firearm brands and manufacturers? I'm sure they can't all name every brand or manufacturer, but your claim is that most aren't aware that there are distinctions between various firearm companies. That's ludicrous on its face.
- lainga 9y ago
  I don't think it's so ludicrous -- maybe if there were many people in the protests who were gun owners or former gun owners, but I've only seen a few. Why is someone who has never owned guns, and quite probably doesn't want to, going to know the difference between Armalite and Remington? (Unless maybe they're dedicated activists doing research and pressuring those companies.)
  - ncallaway 9y ago
    Sorry for the delayed response. I interpreted the text of your comment: "or that there are distinctions between firearms companies at all." as saying most in the protests were unaware that there were differences between firearm manufacturers. Not that they would be familiar with what the specific differences were. I think the vast majority of people know that there are differences between firearm manufacturers. I think you're quite correct in the claim that many activists may not be aware of what those specific differences are.

ad_hominem 9y ago

The mask really slips when they mention Fred Meyer (the grocery chain)'s PR about no longer selling guns, as if that has any measurable effect on the gun economy

ksenzee 9y ago
Calling Fred Meyer a grocery chain is like calling Walmart a grocery chain. They're essentially a department store with a decent-sized grocery department.
- slededit 9y ago
  The ones I've been in are roughly 60% grocery store.
- stormthebeach 9y ago
  It depends on where you are. The AZ version - Fry's - is almost 100% grocery. Whereas other parts of the country I've seen their stores be close to 50/50
drak0n1c 9y ago
Unfortunately Reuters and AP have picked up the Fox/CNN style habit of speculatively including other current event stories to support a specific narrative while ignoring other information more relevant to the story - such as Remington's recent management and manufacturing issues.

kevin_thibedeau 9y ago

Their profits are down because the salad days of Obama/Hillary fear induced sales are gone for now. Just shows how poorly run Remington is that they can't plan more than a year into the future.

fein 9y ago
Their profits are down because Freedom Group made absolute shit quality firearms with QC issues out the wazoo. Pre FG Rem guns often sell for more than new ones simply because of the manufacturing quality differences. The pro gun community is actually responsible for the Remington issues, as they have been railing on Remington for years now, which really started around the Rem 700 recalls.

Accipitriform 9y ago

They bother implying that because of a political agenda. In point of fact the "hundreds of thousands" of useful idiots will eventually come to understand the real world - and in the meantime little will change. The millions of NRA members alone trump them, and NRA membership has just had a significant jump. "When it's a matter of seconds, the police are only minutes away."

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gnode 9y ago

Particularly as a common effect of expected regulation of firearms is increased sales, as customers try to preempt new legislation. Especially true for laws which focus on sale rather than possession. However, on the other hand, expectation of future regulation may affect expected future revenue and thus present creditability.