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Terrible quality control and terrible product development is responsible for this. Principles of mass manufacturing reliable firearms were figured out in the ea

Terrible quality control and terrible product development is responsible for this. Principles of mass manufacturing reliable firearms were figured out in the early 20th century and Remington as a company seems to have forgotten how to do this in the last 20 years. The launch of the R51 pistol was a textbook disaster in terms of product quality and public messaging and pretty emblematic of the overall problems the management had.

Pxtl 9y ago
So what does "bad quality" look like in a firearm? Because a "quality" problem in a device that ignite an explosive propellant in the palm of your hand and propels a piece of metal at deliberately lethal velocities sounds really bad.
- domevent 9y ago
  Ammo jams, rusting, poor MOA, that kind of thing. Firearms tend to fail around the moving parts, you need something close to criminal irresponsibility or stupid end users to blow it up. If you load your shotgun with a 4oz slug and a high brass load, you might actually blow it up, but otherwise the receiver or ejector jamming is far more likely. Rust is also a problem when you’re dealing with lots of heat, and corrosive gasses. Good question!
- rhcom2 9y ago
  Poor tolerances (or "bad quality") lead to jamming, misfeeds, excessive wear, ect. In really bad cases (famous on the Remmington 700) the gun can actually fire when you close the bolt or drop the weapon.
- talmand 9y ago
  I apologize for not going down the list but there are numerous things that count towards being a quality product when it comes to firearms that have nothing to do with its safety. These qualities can even vary across the range of gun owners such as plinkers, hunters, and collectors that look for different things based on their needs.
- thismyusername 9y ago
  That's because your personal bias is preventing you to see legitimate uses for a firearm. Good quality would be being able to hit a target in self-defense without the gun jamming (for example).
- novembermike 9y ago
  Mostly not that bad. The problems were typically that the guns just sucked. The R51 might have had safety issues, I can't remember off the top of my head, but the other ones were just bargain quality guns at middle of the line prices.
- mtreis86 9y ago
  From http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2015/09/18/more-delays-remington-r51/ http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2015/09/18/more-delays-re... "Hot gasses escaping the chamber were essentially flame cutting the top of my hand" "Problems keeping the magazine in the gun" "The slide action was very rough, and the rear sight was loose in the dovetail" "An Idaho man was accidentally shot while loading his R51 pistol. According to court documents, the man did not press the trigger, nor did he depress the grip safety. Yet, the gun allegedly fired and struck him in the abdomen when he inserted a magazine." From http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/foghorn/gun-review-remington-r51/ http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/foghorn/gun-review-... "The left side of the R51’s slide rail contacted my hand when the gun cycles" "The R51’s trigger had no perceptible reset" "Disassembling Remington’s carry piece is almost as challenging as changing an M1 Carbine’s extractor... When you re-assemble the R51 you must slip a small tab on the slide stop of the gun underneath this little spring. You must insert it perfectly parallel to the slide. If you tilt the slide stop upwards by as little as a 1/16th of an inch, if it rides above the spring, the gun will malfunction" (Note, they did fix this in the second version of the r51) "Even when the gun is absolutely 100% assembled correctly, it still fails to fire, fires out of battery, and fails to feed with alarming regularity"
  - Pxtl 9y ago
    Ow. I'm assuming that a crapload of lawsuits contributed to this restructuring.

Pxtl 9y ago

So what does "bad quality" look like in a firearm? Because a "quality" problem in a device that ignite an explosive propellant in the palm of your hand and propels a piece of metal at deliberately lethal velocities sounds really bad.

domevent 9y ago
Ammo jams, rusting, poor MOA, that kind of thing. Firearms tend to fail around the moving parts, you need something close to criminal irresponsibility or stupid end users to blow it up. If you load your shotgun with a 4oz slug and a high brass load, you might actually blow it up, but otherwise the receiver or ejector jamming is far more likely. Rust is also a problem when you’re dealing with lots of heat, and corrosive gasses. Good question!
rhcom2 9y ago
Poor tolerances (or "bad quality") lead to jamming, misfeeds, excessive wear, ect. In really bad cases (famous on the Remmington 700) the gun can actually fire when you close the bolt or drop the weapon.
talmand 9y ago
I apologize for not going down the list but there are numerous things that count towards being a quality product when it comes to firearms that have nothing to do with its safety. These qualities can even vary across the range of gun owners such as plinkers, hunters, and collectors that look for different things based on their needs.
thismyusername 9y ago
That's because your personal bias is preventing you to see legitimate uses for a firearm. Good quality would be being able to hit a target in self-defense without the gun jamming (for example).
novembermike 9y ago
Mostly not that bad. The problems were typically that the guns just sucked. The R51 might have had safety issues, I can't remember off the top of my head, but the other ones were just bargain quality guns at middle of the line prices.
mtreis86 9y ago
From http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2015/09/18/more-delays-remington-r51/ http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2015/09/18/more-delays-re... "Hot gasses escaping the chamber were essentially flame cutting the top of my hand" "Problems keeping the magazine in the gun" "The slide action was very rough, and the rear sight was loose in the dovetail" "An Idaho man was accidentally shot while loading his R51 pistol. According to court documents, the man did not press the trigger, nor did he depress the grip safety. Yet, the gun allegedly fired and struck him in the abdomen when he inserted a magazine." From http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/foghorn/gun-review-remington-r51/ http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/02/foghorn/gun-review-... "The left side of the R51’s slide rail contacted my hand when the gun cycles" "The R51’s trigger had no perceptible reset" "Disassembling Remington’s carry piece is almost as challenging as changing an M1 Carbine’s extractor... When you re-assemble the R51 you must slip a small tab on the slide stop of the gun underneath this little spring. You must insert it perfectly parallel to the slide. If you tilt the slide stop upwards by as little as a 1/16th of an inch, if it rides above the spring, the gun will malfunction" (Note, they did fix this in the second version of the r51) "Even when the gun is absolutely 100% assembled correctly, it still fails to fire, fires out of battery, and fails to feed with alarming regularity"
- Pxtl 9y ago
  Ow. I'm assuming that a crapload of lawsuits contributed to this restructuring.