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Engaging in discriminatory, derogatory and demeaning behaviour actively. That comes from hate. The experiences of the person featured in the linked article, tha

Engaging in discriminatory, derogatory and demeaning behaviour actively. That comes from hate. The experiences of the person featured in the linked article, that could only come from hate. I think people that oppose gay marriage do so because of hate. But found a neat little loophole out of being called hateful by claiming that they have no problem with gay people. My reasoning is this: taking any kind of stance on any subject requires some kind of motivation. If you are moved to spend energy on something, you are motivated by some need to do so. If you oppose something that does not directly affect you, the reason is most probably hate.

Lambdanaut 9y ago
As someone raised Southern Baptist but not currently identifying as so, I can attest that when I once peacefully opposed homosexuality, it was 100% out of a trust that God knew what he was doing and that I should trust him, despite my own personal ignorance. The belief that others can only oppose groups of people out of "hate" stems from a strong lack of empathy and understanding for people on the other side of the issue. > If you oppose something that does not directly affect you, the reason is most probably hate. Either that, or you are serving something percieved as greater than yourself.
- mcguire 9y ago
  Yes and no. Sure, 'hate' is probably the wrong word, and may be counter productive in many cases. And you're right about the empathy; everyone likes to apply labels that mean they don't have to feel. On the other hand, accusing the people you oppose of being demonic Satan-spawn looking to corrupt our youth and destroy our lives and country, of being the baby-molesting other that causes nightmares, well, that probably isn't caused by an excess of good feeling.
- danharaj 9y ago
  That reduces hatred to a never applicable triviality. Hatred at its core is causing others to suffer in service of the things that live in one's head. Emotions can be hateful, so can ideas.
- creep 9y ago
  I agree with you, friend. Most everyone understands that people are not their actions. You can believe a behavior is wrong without hating the person behaving in that way. It's a very simple formulation.
heavenlyblue 9y ago
Lambdanaut, if you followed Hitler and believed that nationalism was for the best and then ended up being responsible for the genocide in the camps - do you go back and tell everyone that the only reason you've been killing jews is because you believed that the German people are _simply_ better since Hitler told you so? I believe you deserve the full responsibility for your ignorance. Your actions are actions of hate no matter how you justify them.

Lambdanaut 9y ago

As someone raised Southern Baptist but not currently identifying as so, I can attest that when I once peacefully opposed homosexuality, it was 100% out of a trust that God knew what he was doing and that I should trust him, despite my own personal ignorance. The belief that others can only oppose groups of people out of "hate" stems from a strong lack of empathy and understanding for people on the other side of the issue. > If you oppose something that does not directly affect you, the reason is most probably hate. Either that, or you are serving something percieved as greater than yourself.

mcguire 9y ago
Yes and no. Sure, 'hate' is probably the wrong word, and may be counter productive in many cases. And you're right about the empathy; everyone likes to apply labels that mean they don't have to feel. On the other hand, accusing the people you oppose of being demonic Satan-spawn looking to corrupt our youth and destroy our lives and country, of being the baby-molesting other that causes nightmares, well, that probably isn't caused by an excess of good feeling.
danharaj 9y ago
That reduces hatred to a never applicable triviality. Hatred at its core is causing others to suffer in service of the things that live in one's head. Emotions can be hateful, so can ideas.
creep 9y ago
I agree with you, friend. Most everyone understands that people are not their actions. You can believe a behavior is wrong without hating the person behaving in that way. It's a very simple formulation.

heavenlyblue 9y ago

Lambdanaut, if you followed Hitler and believed that nationalism was for the best and then ended up being responsible for the genocide in the camps - do you go back and tell everyone that the only reason you've been killing jews is because you believed that the German people are _simply_ better since Hitler told you so? I believe you deserve the full responsibility for your ignorance. Your actions are actions of hate no matter how you justify them.