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> People don't read the pages. People don't read the user agreements. Then maybe "people" shouldn't act completely outraged when they find out that their call
by zodiac 9y ago
> People don't read the pages. People don't read the user agreements.
Then maybe "people" shouldn't act completely outraged when they find out that their call history was uploaded?
- jonathankoren 9y agoNo one chose anything. The best description I recently heard of these types push questions is "exploiting a bug in human behavior. And when the bug is in the brain, there is no patch."
- stefanmm 9y agothis.
- zodiac 9y agoSo how do we solve this? What is the general framework we use to agree to transactions of this kind where users allow access for some data in return for something?
- cyphar 9y agoEffectively, what GDPR requires. You must inform users what the data will be used for when asking for opt-in permission to use it, as well as offering opt-out and right-to-deletion.
- dredmorbius 9y agoThe ToS and other conditions attached to various services and relationships are literally far too long and complex for anyone to read, understand, and recall in full detail. This point has been the subject of numerour articles and documentaries. Hoback states that if one was to read everything in these user/service agreements, it would take one full month, that’s 180 hours every year” and that according to The Wall Street Journal “consumers lose over $250 million dollars due to what’s hidden in these agreements.” https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_and_Conditions_May_Apply https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terms_and_Conditions_May_App...
- zodiac 9y agoI totally agree! But first of all, the prompt shown in the article's screenshot was not hidden in a long ToS. Second of all, I agree that we should work towards solving the problem that overly-long ToSs represent. What I do not agree with is the assertion that, in the presence of an overlong-ToS, we allow people to click-through, then get outraged at the company for doing something they were allowed to do by the ToS. If it really is far too long and complex for you to read, don't use the product.
- dredmorbius 9y agoTools which become ubiquitous or prerequisites for other services are not discretionary. Facebook is the Internet for many people, is required for authenticating by numerous services, and is how numerous groups and communities organise. As such, its terms and services as those of numerous other services, should be defined in a standard set of obligations, rights, and responsibilities, by law.
- zodiac 9y ago> Tools which become ubiquitous or prerequisites for other services are not discretionary...As such, its terms and services as those of numerous other services, should be defined in a standard set of obligations, rights, and responsibilities, by law. I see this sentiment in some form a lot. Is there a name for this principle? Where does it come from? I don't in general agree with it - speaking generally, I think enforcing this principle is a way to solve some problems, but not the best way - and would be interested in discussions about the principle itself.
- dredmorbius 9y agoGovernment.
- zodiac 9y agoI don't understand - would appreciate if you elaborate.