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The injustice of the system is that self-employed have to pay with after-tax dollars while your employer can deduct the cost of providing those benefits.
by mobilefriendly 9y ago
The injustice of the system is that self-employed have to pay with after-tax dollars while your employer can deduct the cost of providing those benefits.
- mancerayder 9y agoFalse, as a self-employed person you can consider this a business expense. I have for two years with no issues. One-person LLC.
- tptacek 9y agoAs I understand it (I hope I understand this, because I rely on it), LLC principals are allowed to deduct the cost of health insurance.
- mobilefriendly 9y agoUnfortunately neither Christian Medishare nor our out-of-pocket health care payments are deductible. https://www.medishare.com/blog/is-healthcare-sharing-tax-deductible https://www.medishare.com/blog/is-healthcare-sharing-tax-ded...
- mancerayder 9y agoInteresting! Are there no other options available? This is clearly an inferior option for the self-employed. I'd go with another provider with a higher premium and without this curious shares thing. How is that legally not health insurance? Baffling. What state are you in?
- tptacek 9y agoAny HN conversation that starts out as a debate about Obamacare and ends up saving someone a few thousand dollars a year is a good conversation, so you are very welcome. Health insurance prices are a nightmare. Please don't let me come off as sounding like I don't think they are. The goal of the ACA was fix that problem, and though it fixed some very important problems, it surely didn't fix that one.
- zitterbewegung 9y agoI think personally that the ACA is a great step toward affordable health care. We really need ACA++ that would address these small issues but unfortunately we probably aren't going to get it passed within the near term. Repealing really isn't an option (due to the near impossibility of repealing an entitlement) and the public doesn't want that either. I don't know how you would fix the issue that the loss ratios will be more skewed negative since the fact that sick people pay more attention than healthy people for insurance (even when you introduce tax penalties).
- dustingetz 9y agomy accountant never allowed me to do this in PA
- tptacek 9y agoAs I understand it, and your accountant is an expert while I am not, you have to be actually self-employed --- not moonlighting or doing side-work, with your money all coming in through the LLC --- and your spouse can't be eligible for group coverage through their job.
- dustingetz 9y agoi was sole proprietor of my own pass through llc with no other income and single through oct 2017
- mancerayder 9y agoI have the entirely opposite experience in NY. It's a Federal guideline though.
- tptacek 9y agoYou should maybe ask your accountant why you couldn't deduct, then? I know there are conditions, but this is one of the better-known self-employment deductions.
- chrisweekly 9y agoTangent: people tend to fixate on "LLC" as if it were the only reasonable corp structure for small outfits. S-Corp is often a better choice.
- tptacek 9y agoIt's just the cheapest one to set up. I was assuming that if someone's self-employed and not deducting insurance, they're probably a sole proprietorship, and are probably sensitive to accounting costs.
- henrikschroder 9y agoYou can typically deduct 100% of your health insurance costs if you have a sole proprietorship. It doesn't matter how you're self-employed, as long as you have no other coverage and your business income funds the insurance, then you can deduct 100%. https://www.irs.gov/publications/p535#en_US_2017_publink1000208843 https://www.irs.gov/publications/p535#en_US_2017_publink1000...
- chrisweekly 9y agoNo, that's one of the wrong assumptions / myths I'm pushing back against: LLC is _not_ necessarily the cheapest to set up. I'm the sole employee of my Massachusetts S-Corp, and it was both less expensive and better tax-advantaged.