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>> TBH what disturbs me the most is how much data Facebook >> has on people's children. There's going to be an entire >> generation of people whose conception

>> TBH what disturbs me the most is how much data Facebook >> has on people's children. There's going to be an entire >> generation of people whose conception to high school >> graduation has been archived in Facebook servers, >> without their consent. I find it unsettling that Facebook has built profiles on kids who can not, legally, _give_ consent, I mean, at all. Facebook probably has a profile on me (although I have never visited them) because I am active in a community of heavy smartphone users; but at least I am an adult and you could argue that people/institutions/organizations that I interact with have kinda given consent on my behalf (without asking me) by agreeing to these websites' Terms & Conditions. So for adults, you could say it is "Indirectly Implied Consent". But how can you apply this argument to kids' profiles collected/built/scraped without consent? We have a lot of work to do, as a society. A combination of laws, co-ordinated across countries, and social shaming perhaps?

kendallpark 9y ago
> I find it unsettling that Facebook has built profiles on kids who can not, legally, _give_ consent, I mean, at all. Facebook probably has a profile on me (although I have never visited them) because I am active in a community of heavy smartphone users; but at least I am an adult and you could argue that people/institutions/organizations that I interact with have kinda given consent on my behalf (without asking me) by agreeing to these websites' Terms & Conditions. So for adults, you could say it is "Indirectly Implied Consent". Yeah, this would line up with privacy laws about photography/videography, at least in the US. Say I'm not a Facebook user, but I go to a party with my Facebook-using friends. My photo is taken spilling food all over my shirt and that gets posted to Facebook. My participation in an event that had no reasonable expectation of privacy means that any photos of me can be legally taken and posted to Facebook. > But how can you apply this argument to kids' profiles collected/built/scraped without consent? Well, one of the problems is that as it stands right now, parents/guardians control that consent. And parents are largely the ones posting pics and FB statuses about their kids. I think there would have to some kind of laws that give children rights to a certain degree of privacy outside of their parents' control. There was a case in 2016 where an 18 year-old sued her parents to remove 500 of her baby photos from Facebook: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/09/16/18-year-old-sues-parents-posting-baby-pictures-facebook/90479402/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/09/16/18... It seems unfortunate to me that she had to wait until she was eighteen in order to address the issue. A lot of social damage can be done before eighteen.
wmeredith 9y ago
Agreed. The shadow profile stuff is really creepy.

kendallpark 9y ago

> I find it unsettling that Facebook has built profiles on kids who can not, legally, _give_ consent, I mean, at all. Facebook probably has a profile on me (although I have never visited them) because I am active in a community of heavy smartphone users; but at least I am an adult and you could argue that people/institutions/organizations that I interact with have kinda given consent on my behalf (without asking me) by agreeing to these websites' Terms & Conditions. So for adults, you could say it is "Indirectly Implied Consent". Yeah, this would line up with privacy laws about photography/videography, at least in the US. Say I'm not a Facebook user, but I go to a party with my Facebook-using friends. My photo is taken spilling food all over my shirt and that gets posted to Facebook. My participation in an event that had no reasonable expectation of privacy means that any photos of me can be legally taken and posted to Facebook. > But how can you apply this argument to kids' profiles collected/built/scraped without consent? Well, one of the problems is that as it stands right now, parents/guardians control that consent. And parents are largely the ones posting pics and FB statuses about their kids. I think there would have to some kind of laws that give children rights to a certain degree of privacy outside of their parents' control. There was a case in 2016 where an 18 year-old sued her parents to remove 500 of her baby photos from Facebook: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/09/16/18-year-old-sues-parents-posting-baby-pictures-facebook/90479402/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/09/16/18... It seems unfortunate to me that she had to wait until she was eighteen in order to address the issue. A lot of social damage can be done before eighteen.

wmeredith 9y ago

Agreed. The shadow profile stuff is really creepy.