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Apple's business model is unlike Facebook's business model in that it does not make money from ad targeting. Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-giants-fail-to-tackle-child-labour-allegations-in-cobalt-battery-supply-chains/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/11/industry-gian...

cdmoyer 9y ago
Huh, I expected much worse than “Earlier this year, Apple became the first company to publish the names of its cobalt suppliers, and Amnesty’s research shows it is currently the industry leader when it comes to responsible cobalt sourcing. Since 2016, Apple has actively engaged with Huayou Cobalt to identify and address child labour in its supply chain.”
- replicatorblog 9y ago
  Apple became the most valuable company in the world in 2012 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/08/20/apple-becomes-the-most-valuable-company-of-all-time/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/08/20/apple-bec...) and had been a leader for the better part of ten years before that. A recent change in procurement doesn't change the fact that they grew their business on the backs of teenagers who were sent into unreinforced holes in the ground to dig while kindergarten age children crushed the ore without the benefit of any protective gear. I'm an iPhone user and I understand the world is a messy place. My point is it's rich of Cook, whose sub-contractor had to install nets outside of windows to prevent suicides, to lecture Zuckerberg about morals. At the end of the day, Facebook has built an incredibly powerful adtech platform. An unpopular person used it to get elected. That's bad. Tim Cook's career has been spent building workplaces that either crushes spirits, leading to suicide, or literally crushes bodies in mine collapses.
amazingman 9y ago
>Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. This is the kind of response that I am increasingly finding indistinguishable from propaganda intended to sow discord.
- replicatorblog 9y ago
  The CEO of the largest corporation in the world is calling out his competitors for perceived moral failings in their business models. I'm calling out the CEO of the largest corporation in the world for moral failings in his business model. I wish higher profile reporters were doing so. The goal is not to sow discord, it's to highlight hypocrisy.
newscracker 9y ago
What’s Apple’s market share worldwide? What percentage of Facebook users access it from mobile? What percentage of those users are using Android devices that also need the same materials? When did you last hear about Samsung or Xiaomi or others on slave labor or child labor? I’m sure Apple has a long way to go on several fronts, but one sided hyperbole like in the above comment is unproductive.
- replicatorblog 9y ago
  It's not hyperbole. Apple may be the best of a bad lot, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. Like I said in the OP, I know the world isn't perfect. Normally, I wouldn't call out Apple. But when Cook decides to lecture about the dangers of social media and privacy and calls for more regulation, which would also weaken his competitors, he should have his bad practices brought to light.
wmeredith 9y ago
Ace to grind? The source you linked yourself says Apple is at the forefront of this issue which is industry-wide in small electronics.
- replicatorblog 9y ago
  They may be at the forefront, but what does that mean exactly? They don't have the kindergarten age kids grinding the ore anymore? They're still sending people into unsupported mineshafts barefoot, but they're all now 18+? All that said, I wouldn't highlight Apple's supply chain failings if their CEO wasn't out chastising competitors for the undesirable traits of their business models.

cdmoyer 9y ago

Huh, I expected much worse than “Earlier this year, Apple became the first company to publish the names of its cobalt suppliers, and Amnesty’s research shows it is currently the industry leader when it comes to responsible cobalt sourcing. Since 2016, Apple has actively engaged with Huayou Cobalt to identify and address child labour in its supply chain.”

replicatorblog 9y ago
Apple became the most valuable company in the world in 2012 (https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/08/20/apple-becomes-the-most-valuable-company-of-all-time/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidthier/2012/08/20/apple-bec...) and had been a leader for the better part of ten years before that. A recent change in procurement doesn't change the fact that they grew their business on the backs of teenagers who were sent into unreinforced holes in the ground to dig while kindergarten age children crushed the ore without the benefit of any protective gear. I'm an iPhone user and I understand the world is a messy place. My point is it's rich of Cook, whose sub-contractor had to install nets outside of windows to prevent suicides, to lecture Zuckerberg about morals. At the end of the day, Facebook has built an incredibly powerful adtech platform. An unpopular person used it to get elected. That's bad. Tim Cook's career has been spent building workplaces that either crushes spirits, leading to suicide, or literally crushes bodies in mine collapses.

amazingman 9y ago

>Facebook's business model is unlike Apple's business model in that it does not make money from sending 12-year-olds into cobalt mines. This is the kind of response that I am increasingly finding indistinguishable from propaganda intended to sow discord.

replicatorblog 9y ago
The CEO of the largest corporation in the world is calling out his competitors for perceived moral failings in their business models. I'm calling out the CEO of the largest corporation in the world for moral failings in his business model. I wish higher profile reporters were doing so. The goal is not to sow discord, it's to highlight hypocrisy.

newscracker 9y ago

What’s Apple’s market share worldwide? What percentage of Facebook users access it from mobile? What percentage of those users are using Android devices that also need the same materials? When did you last hear about Samsung or Xiaomi or others on slave labor or child labor? I’m sure Apple has a long way to go on several fronts, but one sided hyperbole like in the above comment is unproductive.

replicatorblog 9y ago
It's not hyperbole. Apple may be the best of a bad lot, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation. Like I said in the OP, I know the world isn't perfect. Normally, I wouldn't call out Apple. But when Cook decides to lecture about the dangers of social media and privacy and calls for more regulation, which would also weaken his competitors, he should have his bad practices brought to light.

wmeredith 9y ago

Ace to grind? The source you linked yourself says Apple is at the forefront of this issue which is industry-wide in small electronics.

replicatorblog 9y ago
They may be at the forefront, but what does that mean exactly? They don't have the kindergarten age kids grinding the ore anymore? They're still sending people into unsupported mineshafts barefoot, but they're all now 18+? All that said, I wouldn't highlight Apple's supply chain failings if their CEO wasn't out chastising competitors for the undesirable traits of their business models.