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I think there have been some valid points made in this thread about business models. Facebook is the least diversified company out of the big five when it comes

I think there have been some valid points made in this thread about business models. Facebook is the least diversified company out of the big five when it comes to how much of their business model depends on collecting user data (and how personal that data is). At the same time, Facebook, Amazon, Google, Apple, and Microsoft weren't just handed their business models. Each company decided to what (and what not) to pursue, and how they would pursue it. (Can anyone forget how utterly PUSHY Facebook was at getting people to use Messenger?) At the end of the day we all checked off Facebook's EULA and Privacy Policy box and uploaded thousands of artifacts from our lives onto the platform. Perhaps it was a bit naive and overly trusting, but it was our decision. This does not dissolve Facebook of its ethical responsibility to not abuse customer data, but we, at the same time, shouldn't think that we're handing off our private data to some benevolent force that's just going to hold onto it without using it for their own gain. TBH what disturbs me the most is how much data Facebook has on people's children. There's going to be an entire generation of people whose conception to high school graduation has been archived in Facebook servers, without their consent.

908087 9y ago
> At the end of the day we all checked off Facebook's EULA and Privacy Policy box and uploaded thousands of artifacts from our lives That might be true for you, but there are hundreds of millions of people who have been captured in Facebook's surveillance web, despite never interacting directly with Facebook themselves. > TBH what disturbs me the most is how much data Facebook has on people's children. There's going to be an entire generation of people whose conception to high school graduation has been archived in Facebook servers, without their consent. This scares the hell out of me. Millions of children are having their ability to choose whether or not they wish to have their entire lives archived on the servers of an advertising and manipulation corporation taken from them at birth by irresponsible parents trying to build internet points for themselves.
qwaitwhat 9y ago
>> TBH what disturbs me the most is how much data Facebook >> has on people's children. There's going to be an entire >> generation of people whose conception to high school >> graduation has been archived in Facebook servers, >> without their consent. I find it unsettling that Facebook has built profiles on kids who can not, legally, _give_ consent, I mean, at all. Facebook probably has a profile on me (although I have never visited them) because I am active in a community of heavy smartphone users; but at least I am an adult and you could argue that people/institutions/organizations that I interact with have kinda given consent on my behalf (without asking me) by agreeing to these websites' Terms & Conditions. So for adults, you could say it is "Indirectly Implied Consent". But how can you apply this argument to kids' profiles collected/built/scraped without consent? We have a lot of work to do, as a society. A combination of laws, co-ordinated across countries, and social shaming perhaps?
- kendallpark 9y ago
  > I find it unsettling that Facebook has built profiles on kids who can not, legally, _give_ consent, I mean, at all. Facebook probably has a profile on me (although I have never visited them) because I am active in a community of heavy smartphone users; but at least I am an adult and you could argue that people/institutions/organizations that I interact with have kinda given consent on my behalf (without asking me) by agreeing to these websites' Terms & Conditions. So for adults, you could say it is "Indirectly Implied Consent". Yeah, this would line up with privacy laws about photography/videography, at least in the US. Say I'm not a Facebook user, but I go to a party with my Facebook-using friends. My photo is taken spilling food all over my shirt and that gets posted to Facebook. My participation in an event that had no reasonable expectation of privacy means that any photos of me can be legally taken and posted to Facebook. > But how can you apply this argument to kids' profiles collected/built/scraped without consent? Well, one of the problems is that as it stands right now, parents/guardians control that consent. And parents are largely the ones posting pics and FB statuses about their kids. I think there would have to some kind of laws that give children rights to a certain degree of privacy outside of their parents' control. There was a case in 2016 where an 18 year-old sued her parents to remove 500 of her baby photos from Facebook: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/09/16/18-year-old-sues-parents-posting-baby-pictures-facebook/90479402/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/09/16/18... It seems unfortunate to me that she had to wait until she was eighteen in order to address the issue. A lot of social damage can be done before eighteen.
- wmeredith 9y ago
  Agreed. The shadow profile stuff is really creepy.

908087 9y ago

> At the end of the day we all checked off Facebook's EULA and Privacy Policy box and uploaded thousands of artifacts from our lives That might be true for you, but there are hundreds of millions of people who have been captured in Facebook's surveillance web, despite never interacting directly with Facebook themselves. > TBH what disturbs me the most is how much data Facebook has on people's children. There's going to be an entire generation of people whose conception to high school graduation has been archived in Facebook servers, without their consent. This scares the hell out of me. Millions of children are having their ability to choose whether or not they wish to have their entire lives archived on the servers of an advertising and manipulation corporation taken from them at birth by irresponsible parents trying to build internet points for themselves.

qwaitwhat 9y ago

>> TBH what disturbs me the most is how much data Facebook >> has on people's children. There's going to be an entire >> generation of people whose conception to high school >> graduation has been archived in Facebook servers, >> without their consent. I find it unsettling that Facebook has built profiles on kids who can not, legally, _give_ consent, I mean, at all. Facebook probably has a profile on me (although I have never visited them) because I am active in a community of heavy smartphone users; but at least I am an adult and you could argue that people/institutions/organizations that I interact with have kinda given consent on my behalf (without asking me) by agreeing to these websites' Terms & Conditions. So for adults, you could say it is "Indirectly Implied Consent". But how can you apply this argument to kids' profiles collected/built/scraped without consent? We have a lot of work to do, as a society. A combination of laws, co-ordinated across countries, and social shaming perhaps?

kendallpark 9y ago
> I find it unsettling that Facebook has built profiles on kids who can not, legally, _give_ consent, I mean, at all. Facebook probably has a profile on me (although I have never visited them) because I am active in a community of heavy smartphone users; but at least I am an adult and you could argue that people/institutions/organizations that I interact with have kinda given consent on my behalf (without asking me) by agreeing to these websites' Terms & Conditions. So for adults, you could say it is "Indirectly Implied Consent". Yeah, this would line up with privacy laws about photography/videography, at least in the US. Say I'm not a Facebook user, but I go to a party with my Facebook-using friends. My photo is taken spilling food all over my shirt and that gets posted to Facebook. My participation in an event that had no reasonable expectation of privacy means that any photos of me can be legally taken and posted to Facebook. > But how can you apply this argument to kids' profiles collected/built/scraped without consent? Well, one of the problems is that as it stands right now, parents/guardians control that consent. And parents are largely the ones posting pics and FB statuses about their kids. I think there would have to some kind of laws that give children rights to a certain degree of privacy outside of their parents' control. There was a case in 2016 where an 18 year-old sued her parents to remove 500 of her baby photos from Facebook: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/09/16/18-year-old-sues-parents-posting-baby-pictures-facebook/90479402/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2016/09/16/18... It seems unfortunate to me that she had to wait until she was eighteen in order to address the issue. A lot of social damage can be done before eighteen.
wmeredith 9y ago
Agreed. The shadow profile stuff is really creepy.