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I think that these points have to click before people move from FB: Simple -> Start the app and commicate (on all devices) Minimum features -> Feed, Chat, Gro
by tmikaeld 9y ago
I think that these points have to click before people move from FB:
Simple -> Start the app and commicate (on all devices)
Minimum features -> Feed, Chat, Groups, Events, Friends
Fast -> No one will use a slow App
Ownership -> All self-owned data can be removed from everywhere
Decentralized -> And no one else can remove your data
Privacy -> With simple sharing control
So far, I've not seen anything that has all of these.
- rixrax 9y ago>> Decentralized -> And no one else can remove your data So here's the rub: 1) you post stupid stuff, but by the time you realize this, you've already forgotten your password and the account recovery doesn't work, 2) someone gets hold of your account, posts stupid stuff, and 'throws away any means to recover the account', 3) someone posts stupid stuff that is determined to violate law, how do you take that down?
- confounded 9y agoHow do you take it down with a centralized system?
- toolz 9y agoIt's decentralized so the only person who should be accountable is the poster. if they mess up that's on them and no one else. Who would the state prosecute if not the poster?
- deleted 9y ago[deleted]
- thewarrior 9y agoAlso : - Handle DMCA notices and law enforcement requests for taking down illegal content. - Hackers compromising accounts. - Private data being compromised because of Wordpress like security bugs. - Spam / Bots spreading junk and fake news. - Permanently deleting content. - Concerns around terrorism, grooming, child pornography etc These problems will become major headaches at scale.
- kodablah 9y agoI'm not sure many people require those to move from FB.
- AlphaWeaver 9y agoNo, but some of these may be legally required in order to operate as a competitor to Facebook.
- errantmind 9y agoI don't think anyone is saying the alternative should operate as a business competitor to facebook. I think the idea would be for the service to be fully decentralized, where no one has the power to remove anything
- adrianN 9y agoServices where no one has the power to remove anything quickly become flooded with illegal content leading to LEAs taking them down.
- zaarn 9y agoThe advantage of Mastodon is that people do have the power to moderate and take things down. But only on instances they are administrators off. So while I can take down illegal content on my instance I can't go to the japanese instance and ask them to stop posting all those anime girls. They follow their own rules and if I don't like them I can just not allow their content on my server. If you want to follow both my server and the japanese server you'll have to find an instance that doesn't ban either of us or run your own. (Though I trust that there are a good number of lightly administrated instances that it'll be easy to find one before you're forced to run your own)
- zaarn 9y agoFor federated services that is a problem of each individual administration team. Instances may decide they'll ignore the DMCA or allow japenese content that would be illegal as CP elsewhere or don't give a damn about hackers compromising you.
- zestyping 9y ago"Migrate effortlessly off of Facebook" is arguably more important than any of those. This is where Google+ and all the others failed.
- teleclimber 9y ago> Ownership -> All self-owned data can be removed from everywhere > Decentralized -> And no one else can remove your data How do you expect to be able to do that? Decentralization implies your are passing data to peers you do not control. They'll only remove data you ask them to if they are well behaved, but there is no guarantee of that. It's like wanting to be able to delete emails that have already be sent,
- tmikaeld 9y agoIsn't this what torrents and blockchain already do? You have chards of data on more than one endpoint that sync between eachother - to forcefully remove it you would need to remove it from all of those hosts manually. But with, let's say, an access/crypto key - you can do it on all of them. Systems like Storj already do this i believe?
- Avamander 9y ago> Ownership -> All self-owned data can be removed from everywhere I HEAVILY disagree with this. Content generated by people obtains, at one point, historical value. Self-owning should end with personal details, anything involving someone else has to be kept because I think social media has no point if someone else can just now delete basically what are part of my memories. I know Facebook doesn't do this well either, but they aren't making it easy to scrub everything clean either.
- tmikaeld 9y agoThere could be made a difference between private and public content and the private content should be deletable, it's private afterall.
- Avamander 9y agoBut private for whom? I mean, if someone who posted a group picture wants to delete it, it's private for that group, how should those cases be handled properly, without disrupting the UX for others.
- tmikaeld 9y agoPictures being forcefully taken down due to ownership claims frequently happen around the net. I think a line has to be drawn on the part of private ownership when it comes to privately created content.
- zaarn 9y agoPeople deleting their data everywhere leads to reddit threads like these: Person A: "I have a problem X that I need help with" [deleted]: [deleted] Person A: "Thanks that worked!
- woodandsteel 9y agoGreat list. I would add financially sustainable, by which I mean there is some way to pay for expenses like bandwidth and paying people like professional content producers.