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"Because of this, xbps-src is in fact not a binary, it is a collection of very intricate shell scripts that use standard tooling available on almost any Linux d

"Because of this, xbps-src is in fact not a binary, it is a collection of very intricate shell scripts that use standard tooling available on almost any Linux distribution to bootstrap a compiler, build chroot, and XBPS itself." When he stepped away from NetBSD, I remember reading that it was because he wanted to work on a package manager. It might be that the entire raison d'etre for Void Linux is a package manager consisting of shell scripts. Not sure what he thinks of pkgsrc but IMO their work has made things so easy that, e.g., one can easily use a set of shell scripts instead of pkg-add, etc. I do this to save space on small systems. IME, the pkgsrc bootstrap scripts are a very reliable way to build a gcc toolchain. (build.sh as well) One project I have had on the list for many years is to build Linux on BSD. Could it be done? Has it been tried? Also, maybe S6 deserves a mention as another daemontools clone, with the added bonus that it may lead one to discover execline. Nothing against runit. I use socklog and occasionally udpsvd by the same author.

digi_owl 9y ago
Gobolinux is also mostly powered by shell script (i think you may find the odd python and compiled code in there for performance reasons).
yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
> One project I have had on the list for many years is to build Linux on BSD. Could it be done? Has it been tried? How do you mean? Compiling the Linux kernel on a BSD machine? Using GNU on BSD (if so, the answer is yes; see Debian GNU/kFreeBSD)? Linux kernel with BSD userland?
- feelin_googley 9y ago
  Compiling Linux on computer running BSD. User has no computer running Linux, but she has computer running BSD. She builds needed toolchain, downloads and compiles Linux kernel. Its relatively easy to build BSD while running Linux. But vice versa?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
    Okay, so I tried it, and I'm going to say, "not easily". Started from base FreeBSD install, installed gcc and gmake, pulled down a tarball from kernel.org. Did a `gmake x86_64_defconfig` to get started. First problem: FreeBSD calls it "amd64", Linux calls it "ia86". Exported ARCH=ia86 and retried. It gets further now but appears to blow break trying to build some .S files (FreeBSD uses as from GNU binutils, but it's like a decade old). I couldn't figure out how to fix, so gave up:) I suspect it would work in a Linux jail, though, since that's a GNU userland with a Linux ABI from the kernel. Didn't try, though. I also won't speak to whether it would work on netbsd/openbsd/etc.
    - feelin_googley 9y ago
      chroot into /emul/linux directory/jail with GNU/Linux libraries, headers and GCC toolchain as Linux binaries, not BSD ones, then build. There are probably obvious reasons this wont work but without trying I do not know what they are.
feelin_googley 9y ago
/consisting of/s//built from/ /bootstrap scripts/s/scripts/utility/ apologies for being a bit sloppy here

digi_owl 9y ago

Gobolinux is also mostly powered by shell script (i think you may find the odd python and compiled code in there for performance reasons).

yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago

> One project I have had on the list for many years is to build Linux on BSD. Could it be done? Has it been tried? How do you mean? Compiling the Linux kernel on a BSD machine? Using GNU on BSD (if so, the answer is yes; see Debian GNU/kFreeBSD)? Linux kernel with BSD userland?

feelin_googley 9y ago
Compiling Linux on computer running BSD. User has no computer running Linux, but she has computer running BSD. She builds needed toolchain, downloads and compiles Linux kernel. Its relatively easy to build BSD while running Linux. But vice versa?
- yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
  Okay, so I tried it, and I'm going to say, "not easily". Started from base FreeBSD install, installed gcc and gmake, pulled down a tarball from kernel.org. Did a `gmake x86_64_defconfig` to get started. First problem: FreeBSD calls it "amd64", Linux calls it "ia86". Exported ARCH=ia86 and retried. It gets further now but appears to blow break trying to build some .S files (FreeBSD uses as from GNU binutils, but it's like a decade old). I couldn't figure out how to fix, so gave up:) I suspect it would work in a Linux jail, though, since that's a GNU userland with a Linux ABI from the kernel. Didn't try, though. I also won't speak to whether it would work on netbsd/openbsd/etc.
  - feelin_googley 9y ago
    chroot into /emul/linux directory/jail with GNU/Linux libraries, headers and GCC toolchain as Linux binaries, not BSD ones, then build. There are probably obvious reasons this wont work but without trying I do not know what they are.

feelin_googley 9y ago

/consisting of/s//built from/ /bootstrap scripts/s/scripts/utility/ apologies for being a bit sloppy here