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> So because some things are a bad experience, we should make more things a bad experience? I don't see how disparate experiences are bad experiences. Those ar

> So because some things are a bad experience, we should make more things a bad experience? I don't see how disparate experiences are bad experiences. Those are two entirely different things. > if I were Uber or Lyft, I wouldn't want to deploy my app on a platform where another app with root privileges could, for example, change the GPS lookup location to something adversarial whenever uber was in the foreground, leading to bad end user experiences Is there any reason this can't be done today? I already have root on my platform, and, afaik, I can spoof my gps coordinates. Besides, if you don't like how a platform has set up its permissions, then don't develop for that platform. > But that's not what happens, since you can turn that off You can flag a button, that tells you that it is turned off. There's no way of knowing whether or not they actually keep my data.

joshuamorton 9y ago
>I don't see how disparate experiences are bad experiences. Those are two entirely different things Inconsistent experiences is perhaps the single biggest complaint about Android as a platform. This is on comparison to iOS which has much stricter controls on how things can look and what you can do. Unified interfaces are better experiences. Predictability is a part of good ux. >Is there any reason this can't be done today? I already have root on my platform, and, afaik, I can spoof my gps coordinates. Besides, if you don't like how a platform has set up its permissions, then don't develop for that platform I'm honestly not 100% sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's the kind of thing that only possible via BusyBox or whatever. As for the second part of your comment: losing Uber for a feature that will be used by 6 people is not a reasonable trade-off for a platform to make. >There's no way of knowing whether or not they actually keep my data. Well yes there is. You can see all the data Google has one you via takeout. For location specifically, there's timeline. Unless you mean that you think they are lying and secretly storing your data in which case there's a plethora of legal reasons they can't do that. You're veering off into conspiracy territory. (I work at Google but these opinions are mine alone)
- CaptSpify 9y ago
  > losing Uber for a feature that will be used by 6 people is not a reasonable trade-off for a platform to make. Than it stands that Google values money more than they value designing a system with their user's best interests in mind. > Unless you mean that you think they are lying and secretly storing your data in which case there's a plethora of legal reasons they can't do that. Yeah, because Google never lies about what they do with data, or how they collect it. /sarcasm I have no direct evidence of them doing it this time, but fool me once... The point is that they could make it work without being dependent on Google Play Services, but they choose not to.
  - joshuamorton 9y ago
    >Than it stands that Google values money more than they value designing a system with their user's best interests in mind. No, they value their average user over you specifically. If the average user will gain more from Uber than from the feature you suggest, it is in Google's users' best interest to not implement that feature. >Yeah, because Google never lies about what they do with data, or how they collect it. /sarcasm Then you can certainly name all the other times? There are a number of complaints about Google that I've heard, but being secretive about what data they collect is a new one.
    - CaptSpify 9y ago
      > No, they value their average user over you specifically. If the average user will gain more from Uber than from the feature you suggest, it is in Google's users' best interest to not implement that feature. No, they don't. They could make this an optional feature, and they choose not to. And I can't think of any way that preventing users from controlling there own data could be good for users. > Then you can certainly name all the other times? I can't name all the other times, but they misuse our data so often, they publish statistics about it: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?user_requests_report_period=authority:US https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?use...
      - joshuamorton 9y ago

joshuamorton 9y ago

>I don't see how disparate experiences are bad experiences. Those are two entirely different things Inconsistent experiences is perhaps the single biggest complaint about Android as a platform. This is on comparison to iOS which has much stricter controls on how things can look and what you can do. Unified interfaces are better experiences. Predictability is a part of good ux. >Is there any reason this can't be done today? I already have root on my platform, and, afaik, I can spoof my gps coordinates. Besides, if you don't like how a platform has set up its permissions, then don't develop for that platform I'm honestly not 100% sure, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's the kind of thing that only possible via BusyBox or whatever. As for the second part of your comment: losing Uber for a feature that will be used by 6 people is not a reasonable trade-off for a platform to make. >There's no way of knowing whether or not they actually keep my data. Well yes there is. You can see all the data Google has one you via takeout. For location specifically, there's timeline. Unless you mean that you think they are lying and secretly storing your data in which case there's a plethora of legal reasons they can't do that. You're veering off into conspiracy territory. (I work at Google but these opinions are mine alone)

CaptSpify 9y ago
> losing Uber for a feature that will be used by 6 people is not a reasonable trade-off for a platform to make. Than it stands that Google values money more than they value designing a system with their user's best interests in mind. > Unless you mean that you think they are lying and secretly storing your data in which case there's a plethora of legal reasons they can't do that. Yeah, because Google never lies about what they do with data, or how they collect it. /sarcasm I have no direct evidence of them doing it this time, but fool me once... The point is that they could make it work without being dependent on Google Play Services, but they choose not to.
- joshuamorton 9y ago
  >Than it stands that Google values money more than they value designing a system with their user's best interests in mind. No, they value their average user over you specifically. If the average user will gain more from Uber than from the feature you suggest, it is in Google's users' best interest to not implement that feature. >Yeah, because Google never lies about what they do with data, or how they collect it. /sarcasm Then you can certainly name all the other times? There are a number of complaints about Google that I've heard, but being secretive about what data they collect is a new one.
  - CaptSpify 9y ago
    > No, they value their average user over you specifically. If the average user will gain more from Uber than from the feature you suggest, it is in Google's users' best interest to not implement that feature. No, they don't. They could make this an optional feature, and they choose not to. And I can't think of any way that preventing users from controlling there own data could be good for users. > Then you can certainly name all the other times? I can't name all the other times, but they misuse our data so often, they publish statistics about it: https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?user_requests_report_period=authority:US https://transparencyreport.google.com/user-data/overview?use...
    - joshuamorton 9y ago