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There's also the folks who end up having to use Ubuntu LTS (16.x) for various reasons, and if they ever try KDE on it will be doomed to inevitably hate it... Ho

by nnq 9y ago

There's also the folks who end up having to use Ubuntu LTS (16.x) for various reasons, and if they ever try KDE on it will be doomed to inevitably hate it... Hope the story doesn't repeat with their next LTS version. (Maybe the KDE foundation should dedicate manpower/resources to the Kubuntu project before their LTS releases or something, as they'd massively increase their usage base this way...)

2ion 9y ago
Absolutely true. At work, we use 16.04 and Plasma in the version that shipped with it is very unbecoming. A stark contrast to what actually maintained, recent versions of the DE bring to the table.
rwnspace 9y ago
Curious, for what reasons am I supposed to hate it? What am I ignorant of? I use KDE neon which uses a mildly stripped-down Ubuntu 16.04. I surf, do some web development, attempt to learn Clojure, and make my desktop look very pretty. So far (couple months) I've had the "it just works!" level of experience. Edit: Actually, I suppose that is distinct from the LTS Ubuntu release /with/ KDE.
- Sylos 9y ago
  Yeah, KDE Neon is very distinct from Kubuntu 16.04. Kubuntu 16.04 comes with a really outdated version of Qt and with KDE Plasma 5.5, which was essentially still a development version of the 5.x series. KDE Neon pretty much just exists to fix that hot mess.
  - nnq 9y ago
    ...then why TF don't people promote like even a little bit?! I didn't event know this KDE Neon existed. Really, WTF, it's not event on the page listing Ubuntu flavors https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours and being a KDE project it's not even on the kde.org homepage. Do some people still live by "build it and they will come" nonsense? I mean, nobody expects dedicated marketing campaigns for an open source project, but at lest some links in the places where people could see. Event on the neon.kde.org page I see the crucial information that this is based on Ubuntu LTS burried in a big wall of text I wouldn't have ever bothered to read if I wasn't actively digging for details. I'll wait for a version based on Ubuntu 18 LTS when that comes, and definitely try it, but boy, it's like whoever works on this took great effort to keep it stealth or something...
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    - Sylos 9y ago
      Well, there is reasons for it not being promoted by KDE itself that much. 1) They don't want to run a distro. KDE is distro-agnostic. Maintaining their own distribution would imply that this is the KDE distro, where you want to be to get the best KDE experience. (Hint: It's actually not.) 2) They don't consider it a distro. "Distribution" implies that someone spent some time to put together a collection of software which works reasonably well with one another. So, it would mean that they do integration testing. KDE does not do that with Neon. It's just Ubuntu with KDE smacked on top. The Ubuntu-part is tested, the KDE-part is somewhat tested, but the combination of those happens to function most of the time out of pure luck. 3) Many people looking for Ubuntu with KDE on it are (reasonably) new to Linux. If you're more skilled, you'll probably go for openSUSE or Manjaro. There's of course reasons why you might prefer Ubuntu even as an experienced user, but it is still the case that many noobs look into KDE Neon. And KDE Neon is not for noobs. The Ubuntu-part is stable, but the KDE-part is not, it's bleeding edge software. Often not really tested, so things might potentially explode there. The lack of integration testing adds to that. And then as the grand-grandparent comment hinted, KDE Neon does not come with a whole load of software. It misses lots of software that you'd expect in a full-featured operating system, which is also in particular bad for new Linux users. As for waiting for a version that's going to be based on Ubuntu 18.04, I'm not sure, if that makes so much sense. Presumable, or hopefully, Ubuntu will fix that hot mess themselves with 18.04. The most recent version of KDE is an LTS release, so they'd be hard-pressed to choose wrongly there, and they previously had such an outdated version of Qt, because they used that outdated version in Unity 8, which they've stopped developing, so they should not fuck up there either. So, unless you actually continuously want to see the latest development in KDE, using KDE Neon won't make that much sense anymore after Ubuntu 18.04 is released. Also, Ubuntu 18.04 is released in 2018 in April, hence 18.04, it's <year>.<month>. And they usually release in April and October which is why you usually XX.04 and XX.10, with every second year in April being an LTS, so 18.04 is going to be the version number of the LTS. For smaller fixes, they add a number behind that: e.g. 16.04.5.
jcfrei 9y ago
Which distro should you use for KDE?
- bmn__ 9y ago
  opensuse
  - Mister_Snuggles 9y ago
    OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, in my view. That way you get all of the new goodies soon after they’re released, and thanks to the automated testing there’s usually no significant breakage.
- qwerty456127 9y ago
  Manjaro with KDE is yummy.
- Sylos 9y ago
  openSUSE offers the premium experience. Long-standing friendships between the teams and openSUSE does a bunch of testing for KDE, for which KDE gives back by scheduling their LTSs to align with openSUSE releases, well, and by probably actually fixing those bugs that occur on openSUSE even if they might not necessarily appear on other distros. Then Manjaro is also solid, mainly because KDE is at least no second-class citizen on it, like it is on most distros. And if you want something Ubuntu-based, then KDE Neon is the way to go, even though there's essentially no integration testing between the KDE software and the underlying Ubuntu base.
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by nnq 9y ago

2ion 9y ago

Absolutely true. At work, we use 16.04 and Plasma in the version that shipped with it is very unbecoming. A stark contrast to what actually maintained, recent versions of the DE bring to the table.

rwnspace 9y ago

Curious, for what reasons am I supposed to hate it? What am I ignorant of? I use KDE neon which uses a mildly stripped-down Ubuntu 16.04. I surf, do some web development, attempt to learn Clojure, and make my desktop look very pretty. So far (couple months) I've had the "it just works!" level of experience. Edit: Actually, I suppose that is distinct from the LTS Ubuntu release /with/ KDE.

Sylos 9y ago
Yeah, KDE Neon is very distinct from Kubuntu 16.04. Kubuntu 16.04 comes with a really outdated version of Qt and with KDE Plasma 5.5, which was essentially still a development version of the 5.x series. KDE Neon pretty much just exists to fix that hot mess.
- nnq 9y ago
  ...then why TF don't people promote like even a little bit?! I didn't event know this KDE Neon existed. Really, WTF, it's not event on the page listing Ubuntu flavors https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours https://www.ubuntu.com/download/flavours and being a KDE project it's not even on the kde.org homepage. Do some people still live by "build it and they will come" nonsense? I mean, nobody expects dedicated marketing campaigns for an open source project, but at lest some links in the places where people could see. Event on the neon.kde.org page I see the crucial information that this is based on Ubuntu LTS burried in a big wall of text I wouldn't have ever bothered to read if I wasn't actively digging for details. I'll wait for a version based on Ubuntu 18 LTS when that comes, and definitely try it, but boy, it's like whoever works on this took great effort to keep it stealth or something...
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  - Sylos 9y ago
    Well, there is reasons for it not being promoted by KDE itself that much. 1) They don't want to run a distro. KDE is distro-agnostic. Maintaining their own distribution would imply that this is the KDE distro, where you want to be to get the best KDE experience. (Hint: It's actually not.) 2) They don't consider it a distro. "Distribution" implies that someone spent some time to put together a collection of software which works reasonably well with one another. So, it would mean that they do integration testing. KDE does not do that with Neon. It's just Ubuntu with KDE smacked on top. The Ubuntu-part is tested, the KDE-part is somewhat tested, but the combination of those happens to function most of the time out of pure luck. 3) Many people looking for Ubuntu with KDE on it are (reasonably) new to Linux. If you're more skilled, you'll probably go for openSUSE or Manjaro. There's of course reasons why you might prefer Ubuntu even as an experienced user, but it is still the case that many noobs look into KDE Neon. And KDE Neon is not for noobs. The Ubuntu-part is stable, but the KDE-part is not, it's bleeding edge software. Often not really tested, so things might potentially explode there. The lack of integration testing adds to that. And then as the grand-grandparent comment hinted, KDE Neon does not come with a whole load of software. It misses lots of software that you'd expect in a full-featured operating system, which is also in particular bad for new Linux users. As for waiting for a version that's going to be based on Ubuntu 18.04, I'm not sure, if that makes so much sense. Presumable, or hopefully, Ubuntu will fix that hot mess themselves with 18.04. The most recent version of KDE is an LTS release, so they'd be hard-pressed to choose wrongly there, and they previously had such an outdated version of Qt, because they used that outdated version in Unity 8, which they've stopped developing, so they should not fuck up there either. So, unless you actually continuously want to see the latest development in KDE, using KDE Neon won't make that much sense anymore after Ubuntu 18.04 is released. Also, Ubuntu 18.04 is released in 2018 in April, hence 18.04, it's <year>.<month>. And they usually release in April and October which is why you usually XX.04 and XX.10, with every second year in April being an LTS, so 18.04 is going to be the version number of the LTS. For smaller fixes, they add a number behind that: e.g. 16.04.5.

jcfrei 9y ago

Which distro should you use for KDE?

bmn__ 9y ago
opensuse
- Mister_Snuggles 9y ago
  OpenSUSE Tumbleweed, in my view. That way you get all of the new goodies soon after they’re released, and thanks to the automated testing there’s usually no significant breakage.
qwerty456127 9y ago
Manjaro with KDE is yummy.
Sylos 9y ago
openSUSE offers the premium experience. Long-standing friendships between the teams and openSUSE does a bunch of testing for KDE, for which KDE gives back by scheduling their LTSs to align with openSUSE releases, well, and by probably actually fixing those bugs that occur on openSUSE even if they might not necessarily appear on other distros. Then Manjaro is also solid, mainly because KDE is at least no second-class citizen on it, like it is on most distros. And if you want something Ubuntu-based, then KDE Neon is the way to go, even though there's essentially no integration testing between the KDE software and the underlying Ubuntu base.
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