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> UNIX What UNIX? Only one I can think of macOS? What other UNIX is a dominant platform? Linux is not a UNIX, but rather UNIX like. I'm all for UNIX, love the

> UNIX What UNIX? Only one I can think of macOS? What other UNIX is a dominant platform? Linux is not a UNIX, but rather UNIX like. I'm all for UNIX, love the design, love the history, but it is not dominant. To be honest UNIX seems dead, and only live on in *nix-like OS.

grzm 9y ago
Within this context of this discussion, what are the distinctions between Unix and Linux that are important to you?
- oneweekwonder 9y ago
  That Unix is the roadster that gave us c. But Linux was the one that drove c into our core operating system infrastructure. Windows did the same favor for c++. One of the reasons why other languages failed? While c/c++ flourished in the oss environment, even with its tooling being sub-par at the time. imo.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    I almost agree, just not quite regarding how it went. C++ was already being adopted by all desktop systems, Mac, OS/2, Windows, even if at lower level it was a mix of Pascal (Mac) and C. On proprietary UNIX systems, C++ major stronghold was CORBA based applications, while some companies were pushing C++ bindings for Motif. Then GNU and Linux happened, with FSF suggesting that the best approach to write portable open source should be C, and then we arrived in the present situation.
pjmlp 9y ago
There are more computers on this planet than just plain desktop. Most of them are servers, mainframes and embedded devices running some form of UNIX based OS. If you prefer I can rename it to nix, as I wasn't thinking about POSIX certification. BSD, Minix (running on your Intel chip), Aix, HP-UX, POSIX layers in IBM and Unisys mainframes, RTOS, NuttX, QNX, and many other POSIX based OSes for embedded deployment.
- oneweekwonder 9y ago
  > If you prefer I can rename it to nix This makes me sound pedantic, but yes. I understand the world is more then plain desktops. The topic was dominant platforms; UNIX is not. I'm aware of most of your examples. But all of them are either unix-like or posix complaint. But as admitted my complaint was a nitpick. "UNIX is dead; long live *nix." ~ oneweekwonder

grzm 9y ago

Within this context of this discussion, what are the distinctions between Unix and Linux that are important to you?

oneweekwonder 9y ago
That Unix is the roadster that gave us c. But Linux was the one that drove c into our core operating system infrastructure. Windows did the same favor for c++. One of the reasons why other languages failed? While c/c++ flourished in the oss environment, even with its tooling being sub-par at the time. imo.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  I almost agree, just not quite regarding how it went. C++ was already being adopted by all desktop systems, Mac, OS/2, Windows, even if at lower level it was a mix of Pascal (Mac) and C. On proprietary UNIX systems, C++ major stronghold was CORBA based applications, while some companies were pushing C++ bindings for Motif. Then GNU and Linux happened, with FSF suggesting that the best approach to write portable open source should be C, and then we arrived in the present situation.

pjmlp 9y ago

There are more computers on this planet than just plain desktop. Most of them are servers, mainframes and embedded devices running some form of UNIX based OS. If you prefer I can rename it to nix, as I wasn't thinking about POSIX certification. BSD, Minix (running on your Intel chip), Aix, HP-UX, POSIX layers in IBM and Unisys mainframes, RTOS, NuttX, QNX, and many other POSIX based OSes for embedded deployment.

oneweekwonder 9y ago
> If you prefer I can rename it to nix This makes me sound pedantic, but yes. I understand the world is more then plain desktops. The topic was dominant platforms; UNIX is not. I'm aware of most of your examples. But all of them are either unix-like or posix complaint. But as admitted my complaint was a nitpick. "UNIX is dead; long live *nix." ~ oneweekwonder