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Why is this happening? I see the argumnent that these organizations are private companies and can do whatever they see fit, including censorship, I see no reaso

Why is this happening? I see the argumnent that these organizations are private companies and can do whatever they see fit, including censorship, I see no reason why these should not be opposed on principle. Global expression of ideas should not be controlled by any one jurisdiction or board of directors. When will we ever find a solution? Decentralisation is fun to talk about but almost impossible to accomplish in practice. So how do we create a compromise scenario that protects the free spread of ideas? I have no idea. I am so sick of all this.

crowbahr 9y ago
It's happening because the USA has declared it illegal for any website to knowingly host any content that might be illegal. As such they're pulling down anything and everything that might be even possibly illegal.
- kazen44 9y ago
  what about websites which are not hosted in the US, but for instance, in europe or asia? This law wouldn't be in effect for them?
  - Asooka 9y ago
    It would if the USA has an extradition agreement in place, which we do with a majority of countries. So while you do not commit a crime domestically, if an American can access illegal content on your site, you can be sued in the USA and extradited.
    - singularity2001 9y ago
      are there cases when this really happened?
    - LouisSayers 9y ago
      @singularity2001 yes, Kim dotcom with MegaUpload
      - wtfstatists 9y ago
        No its location of server that did it for Megaupload. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/12/28/extradition-jurisdiction-and-kim-dotcom/ https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/12/28/extradition-juris... In short, much of Megaupload’s servers were located in the U.S. This, for the purpose of jurisdiction, means two things. First, much of the alleged crimes took place physically in the United States. The infringements, the payments, etc. took place, at least in large part, in Virginia even if the people orchestrating it were scattered all over the world. More importantly though, courts in both the U.S. and now New Zealand have ruled that these servers provide sufficient contact with the U.S. to give it jurisdiction over the criminal case. While jurisdiction alone doesn’t mean a person can be extradited, it’s a crucial step and this also explains why a man who never set foot in the U.S. can be extradited to it for a crime committed online. However, this isn’t the first time the U.S. has used the server argument it’s been using it for years to combat securities fraud in the country.
        guitarbill 9y ago
        > First, much of the alleged crimes took place physically in the United States. The infringements, the payments, etc. took place, at least in large part, in Virginia even if the people orchestrating it were scattered all over the world. This logic is twisted and does not follow at all, except if you have a purely old world way of thinking (i.e. pre-internet), or are morally flexible when it suits your narrative. The lesson is clear though, stay away from American servers.
    - namlem 9y ago
      You can't be extradited for purely civil matters.
  - wtfstatists 9y ago
    At least CJEU has ruled that austrian company running uk-hosted website is liable for damages due to copyright infringements occuring in france [1]. http://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com/2015/02/11/cjeu-mere-accessibility-of-websites-enough-for-jurisdiction/ http://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com/2015/02/11/cjeu-mere-ac...
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- mike10010100 9y ago
  > the USA has declared it illegal for any website to knowingly host any content that might be illegal Which law is this and when did it go into effect?
Lorkki 9y ago
There isn't exactly a global shortage of cloud storage providers, so the solution seems pretty simple. Just never store your files in only one place.
- nine_k 9y ago
  Rather, never store any potentially problematic content in a storage service with a legal entity behind it. Store encrypted chunks strewn across multiple nodes, so that each node can reliably deny knowledge, or even possession of a full copy, of the content. So they can't be sued. This, of course, prevents making this content from being accessible to public.

crowbahr 9y ago

It's happening because the USA has declared it illegal for any website to knowingly host any content that might be illegal. As such they're pulling down anything and everything that might be even possibly illegal.

kazen44 9y ago
what about websites which are not hosted in the US, but for instance, in europe or asia? This law wouldn't be in effect for them?
- Asooka 9y ago
  It would if the USA has an extradition agreement in place, which we do with a majority of countries. So while you do not commit a crime domestically, if an American can access illegal content on your site, you can be sued in the USA and extradited.
  - singularity2001 9y ago
    are there cases when this really happened?
  - LouisSayers 9y ago
    @singularity2001 yes, Kim dotcom with MegaUpload
    - wtfstatists 9y ago
      No its location of server that did it for Megaupload. https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/12/28/extradition-jurisdiction-and-kim-dotcom/ https://www.plagiarismtoday.com/2015/12/28/extradition-juris... In short, much of Megaupload’s servers were located in the U.S. This, for the purpose of jurisdiction, means two things. First, much of the alleged crimes took place physically in the United States. The infringements, the payments, etc. took place, at least in large part, in Virginia even if the people orchestrating it were scattered all over the world. More importantly though, courts in both the U.S. and now New Zealand have ruled that these servers provide sufficient contact with the U.S. to give it jurisdiction over the criminal case. While jurisdiction alone doesn’t mean a person can be extradited, it’s a crucial step and this also explains why a man who never set foot in the U.S. can be extradited to it for a crime committed online. However, this isn’t the first time the U.S. has used the server argument it’s been using it for years to combat securities fraud in the country.
      - guitarbill 9y ago
        > First, much of the alleged crimes took place physically in the United States. The infringements, the payments, etc. took place, at least in large part, in Virginia even if the people orchestrating it were scattered all over the world. This logic is twisted and does not follow at all, except if you have a purely old world way of thinking (i.e. pre-internet), or are morally flexible when it suits your narrative. The lesson is clear though, stay away from American servers.
  - namlem 9y ago
    You can't be extradited for purely civil matters.
- wtfstatists 9y ago
  At least CJEU has ruled that austrian company running uk-hosted website is liable for damages due to copyright infringements occuring in france [1]. http://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com/2015/02/11/cjeu-mere-accessibility-of-websites-enough-for-jurisdiction/ http://copyrightblog.kluweriplaw.com/2015/02/11/cjeu-mere-ac...
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mike10010100 9y ago
> the USA has declared it illegal for any website to knowingly host any content that might be illegal Which law is this and when did it go into effect?

Lorkki 9y ago

There isn't exactly a global shortage of cloud storage providers, so the solution seems pretty simple. Just never store your files in only one place.

nine_k 9y ago
Rather, never store any potentially problematic content in a storage service with a legal entity behind it. Store encrypted chunks strewn across multiple nodes, so that each node can reliably deny knowledge, or even possession of a full copy, of the content. So they can't be sued. This, of course, prevents making this content from being accessible to public.