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Ah, this completes the triad for me. I had previously heard FB deny responsibility and Kogan deny responsibility. Hadn't yet heard CA deny responsibility unti

Ah, this completes the triad for me. I had previously heard FB deny responsibility and Kogan deny responsibility. Hadn't yet heard CA deny responsibility until now. That's settled then. I guess nobody's at fault! Success has many fathers but failure is an orphan.

djhworld 9y ago
I was just reading this article about Kogan https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/mar/24/cambridge-analytica-academics-work-upset-university-colleagues https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/mar/24/cambridge-... The article is a bit confusing for me, it suggests that Kogan initially went to the parent company of CA and asked for $500,000 for the data+modelling, and they refused? It's not entirely clear, but at some point some money must have changed hands for the work, the thing that surprises me the most is even with figures like $500k being bandied about, is that the going rate for stuff like this these days?
- jaclaz 9y ago
  Thank you for the article, very interesting. At first read I had the impression that Kogan was criticized on an "ethical" base, then re-reading it, I understood that they were only arguing on how to divide the loot. If SCL actually had given 1 million, half to Kogan and 1/4 each to Kosinski and Stilwell, we wouldn't have the mails. >The correspondence reveals the deep anxiety among university psychologists over the activities of Kogan, ... Deep anxiety over the activities my sock, they wanted US$ 500,000 and were proposed only US$ 100,000 instead, and there started the disagreement ...
gabipurcaru 9y ago
did Facebook deny responsibility?
- Analemma_ 9y ago
  Facebook has sort of apologized, but their position has been that CA bamboozled them, not that this is an inherent outcome of their business model.
- rsynnott 9y ago
  A strange sort of non-denial denial.
pjc50 9y ago
"The usual people tried to claim responsibility. First the IRA, then the PLO and the Gas Board. Even British Nuclear Fuels rushed out a statement to the effect that the situation was completely under control, that it was a one in a million chance, that there was hardly any radioactive leakage at all, and that the site of the explosion would make a nice location for a day out with the kids and a picnic, before finally having to admit that it wasn't actually anything to do with them at all." -- Douglas Adams
Consultant32452 9y ago
At fault for what exactly, Trump getting elected? I still don't understand what we know today that anyone sort of paying attention didn't expect a year ago, or even five years ago.
- rdiddly 9y ago
  I was thinking about the mere leakage of the data itself, but you make a good point. I pretty quickly figured out the nature of Facebook years ago and deleted mine. But all the people coming out of the woodwork now to hate on Facebook all of a sudden, you have to assume 1) they accepted all the things about Facebook that we all knew, including the use or misuse of data, and 2) what made them finally object was Facebook's sudden supposed intrusion into the (supposed) democratic process (though Kogan said profiling and ad targeting was worse than useless[0]), and specifically the fact that Trump won and now they're mad and looking for someone/something to blame. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/facebook-app-developer-kogan-defends-his-actions-with-user-data https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/facebook-...
  - pyjammas 9y ago
    I understand this line of reasoning from a butt-hurt nerd perspective, but surely we can agree that it's a good thing that the consequences of 'all this' is finally hitting the mainstream? And if so, what is the value of such an attitude other than some kind of petty 'told you so' need? Do we demand badges for our wokeness?
    - rdiddly 9y ago
      I don't claim my attitude has value. It's fine if it hits the mainstream, but if it's because of Trump, and not because of what Facebook is, then it will end up being just another half-assed initiative by only half the population - the half that happens to disagree with one flash-in-the-pan, here-today-gone-tomorrow, and ineffective-to-boot, President. I'm among those who think the world would probably be better off without both Facebook and Trump, but the consensus out there in the world doesn't agree with that. They elected Trump and continue to make Facebook rich. Somewhat counter-intuitively, there is really not a lot of fodder there for feeling superior about oneself.

djhworld 9y ago

I was just reading this article about Kogan https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/mar/24/cambridge-analytica-academics-work-upset-university-colleagues https://www.theguardian.com/education/2018/mar/24/cambridge-... The article is a bit confusing for me, it suggests that Kogan initially went to the parent company of CA and asked for $500,000 for the data+modelling, and they refused? It's not entirely clear, but at some point some money must have changed hands for the work, the thing that surprises me the most is even with figures like $500k being bandied about, is that the going rate for stuff like this these days?

jaclaz 9y ago
Thank you for the article, very interesting. At first read I had the impression that Kogan was criticized on an "ethical" base, then re-reading it, I understood that they were only arguing on how to divide the loot. If SCL actually had given 1 million, half to Kogan and 1/4 each to Kosinski and Stilwell, we wouldn't have the mails. >The correspondence reveals the deep anxiety among university psychologists over the activities of Kogan, ... Deep anxiety over the activities my sock, they wanted US$ 500,000 and were proposed only US$ 100,000 instead, and there started the disagreement ...

gabipurcaru 9y ago

did Facebook deny responsibility?

Analemma_ 9y ago
Facebook has sort of apologized, but their position has been that CA bamboozled them, not that this is an inherent outcome of their business model.
rsynnott 9y ago
A strange sort of non-denial denial.

pjc50 9y ago

"The usual people tried to claim responsibility. First the IRA, then the PLO and the Gas Board. Even British Nuclear Fuels rushed out a statement to the effect that the situation was completely under control, that it was a one in a million chance, that there was hardly any radioactive leakage at all, and that the site of the explosion would make a nice location for a day out with the kids and a picnic, before finally having to admit that it wasn't actually anything to do with them at all." -- Douglas Adams

Consultant32452 9y ago

At fault for what exactly, Trump getting elected? I still don't understand what we know today that anyone sort of paying attention didn't expect a year ago, or even five years ago.

rdiddly 9y ago
I was thinking about the mere leakage of the data itself, but you make a good point. I pretty quickly figured out the nature of Facebook years ago and deleted mine. But all the people coming out of the woodwork now to hate on Facebook all of a sudden, you have to assume 1) they accepted all the things about Facebook that we all knew, including the use or misuse of data, and 2) what made them finally object was Facebook's sudden supposed intrusion into the (supposed) democratic process (though Kogan said profiling and ad targeting was worse than useless[0]), and specifically the fact that Trump won and now they're mad and looking for someone/something to blame. [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/facebook-app-developer-kogan-defends-his-actions-with-user-data https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-03-21/facebook-...
- pyjammas 9y ago
  I understand this line of reasoning from a butt-hurt nerd perspective, but surely we can agree that it's a good thing that the consequences of 'all this' is finally hitting the mainstream? And if so, what is the value of such an attitude other than some kind of petty 'told you so' need? Do we demand badges for our wokeness?
  - rdiddly 9y ago
    I don't claim my attitude has value. It's fine if it hits the mainstream, but if it's because of Trump, and not because of what Facebook is, then it will end up being just another half-assed initiative by only half the population - the half that happens to disagree with one flash-in-the-pan, here-today-gone-tomorrow, and ineffective-to-boot, President. I'm among those who think the world would probably be better off without both Facebook and Trump, but the consensus out there in the world doesn't agree with that. They elected Trump and continue to make Facebook rich. Somewhat counter-intuitively, there is really not a lot of fodder there for feeling superior about oneself.