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I'm currently working on a project which has only social login (but allows you to choose between facebook and google) and this was a very deliberate move. For a

I'm currently working on a project which has only social login (but allows you to choose between facebook and google) and this was a very deliberate move. For any given person on this planet, there is a higher chance that they use facebook or gmail over any other "service", so no need to offer support for 10 different social logins. Also, this is more about imposing a qualitative filter on the users who sign up. If the earliest users you have don't like you enough to give you their social login details (assuming, of course, you don't do something silly that poses a security threat) then do they really like you enough? I like to think of my earliest users as "apostles" (I even call them that. Not to their face, but yeah) and they should have a bit of faith in the service. If they don't, then they are not really apostles after all.

Razengan 9y ago
I will never use your product or service, if it only allows "social login." If it's an app that requires ANY sign-up to begin using it, I will uninstall it, unless I feel it offers a tremendous value to me.
- acheron 9y ago
  Same. And I hold grudges. Lyft and Spotify used to require Facebook logins, and even though they have since removed the requirement, I still feel negatively towards them for it and don’t use them to this day.
- KaoruAoiShiho 9y ago
  That's it exactly, he only wants people that finds his service of tremendous value. I think it makes sense as a way to deter casual sign ups.
wepple 9y ago
“If the earliest users you have don't like you enough to give you their social login details ” Perhaps I’m an anomaly, but if there is no regular email sign-up, I’m not using your product, period. There’s enough information floating around about me in databases all over the world, I don’t need them to be further connected and linked. To see the situation with FB/CA and then demand your users use their login is insulting to me.
- caseysoftware 9y ago
  I agree with this because the scopes that the various apps "require" are usually way beyond what is actually necessary. At best, it's ugly information leakage. At worst, you spam my friends & colleagues to visit my farm. * There's another aspect where if Google, Facebook, etc, etc shut down or freeze your account, you will lose access to the system.
- cproctor 9y ago
  Same here. The recent examples of people finding it difficult to delete Facebook because of social logins to accounts on other sites reinforces how social logins lock you into a service.
- arsalanb 9y ago
  I built the log-in before the FB/CA situation and am yet to understand how it may change things. However, I personally think people will move on from this like nothing ever happened (which is sad)
  - Symbiote 9y ago
    > I personally think people will move on from this like nothing ever happened (which is sad) Does that include you? You could add the usual email login, or go further and prevent new Facebook logins, or remove it completely.
  - stordoff 9y ago
    If you think it's sad, wouldn't you better off trying to change things? It's becomes more tempting to just move on if you have more services reliant on/tied to those accounts.
- senorjazz 9y ago
  same. I lost my gmail account due to travelling around and my security question was nonsense with a nonsense answer as I knew I would never forget my password. Eventually I got back into the account after a few months, since then I never rely on a google account for anything. Similarly, I don't use facebook. As for my data: 100% email login (I don't allow social logins)
chrischen 9y ago
If anything an Email/Password is more of a hassle and a better filter for "apostles" than one-click facebook/google.
WhitneyLand 9y ago
>>[if they won’t use social login do they really like you enough? I like to think of my users as apostles] Sounds a bit scary is this some kind of cult as a service offering? It’s well known that a significant percentage of people won’t sign up with a social login. What is it about those lost users that appears to assign them less of a value in your business model? Quality of customer is definitely a consideration in certain cases, for example some businesses have been more successful after raising prices. However in this case I don’t see the benefit unless maybe there’s some kind of inherent need to verify identity or something along those lines which doesn’t seem to truly be a significant requirement in that many cases.
- arsalanb 9y ago
  How is it "well known that a significant percentage of people won't sign up with a social login" ?
  - raarts 9y ago
    It's hard to prove that something is 'well-known' but I thought it too, and the reported stats in this post seem to confirm it.

Razengan 9y ago

I will never use your product or service, if it only allows "social login." If it's an app that requires ANY sign-up to begin using it, I will uninstall it, unless I feel it offers a tremendous value to me.

acheron 9y ago
Same. And I hold grudges. Lyft and Spotify used to require Facebook logins, and even though they have since removed the requirement, I still feel negatively towards them for it and don’t use them to this day.
KaoruAoiShiho 9y ago
That's it exactly, he only wants people that finds his service of tremendous value. I think it makes sense as a way to deter casual sign ups.

wepple 9y ago

“If the earliest users you have don't like you enough to give you their social login details ” Perhaps I’m an anomaly, but if there is no regular email sign-up, I’m not using your product, period. There’s enough information floating around about me in databases all over the world, I don’t need them to be further connected and linked. To see the situation with FB/CA and then demand your users use their login is insulting to me.

caseysoftware 9y ago
I agree with this because the scopes that the various apps "require" are usually way beyond what is actually necessary. At best, it's ugly information leakage. At worst, you spam my friends & colleagues to visit my farm. * There's another aspect where if Google, Facebook, etc, etc shut down or freeze your account, you will lose access to the system.
cproctor 9y ago
Same here. The recent examples of people finding it difficult to delete Facebook because of social logins to accounts on other sites reinforces how social logins lock you into a service.
arsalanb 9y ago
I built the log-in before the FB/CA situation and am yet to understand how it may change things. However, I personally think people will move on from this like nothing ever happened (which is sad)
- Symbiote 9y ago
  > I personally think people will move on from this like nothing ever happened (which is sad) Does that include you? You could add the usual email login, or go further and prevent new Facebook logins, or remove it completely.
- stordoff 9y ago
  If you think it's sad, wouldn't you better off trying to change things? It's becomes more tempting to just move on if you have more services reliant on/tied to those accounts.
senorjazz 9y ago
same. I lost my gmail account due to travelling around and my security question was nonsense with a nonsense answer as I knew I would never forget my password. Eventually I got back into the account after a few months, since then I never rely on a google account for anything. Similarly, I don't use facebook. As for my data: 100% email login (I don't allow social logins)

chrischen 9y ago

If anything an Email/Password is more of a hassle and a better filter for "apostles" than one-click facebook/google.

WhitneyLand 9y ago

>>[if they won’t use social login do they really like you enough? I like to think of my users as apostles] Sounds a bit scary is this some kind of cult as a service offering? It’s well known that a significant percentage of people won’t sign up with a social login. What is it about those lost users that appears to assign them less of a value in your business model? Quality of customer is definitely a consideration in certain cases, for example some businesses have been more successful after raising prices. However in this case I don’t see the benefit unless maybe there’s some kind of inherent need to verify identity or something along those lines which doesn’t seem to truly be a significant requirement in that many cases.

arsalanb 9y ago
How is it "well known that a significant percentage of people won't sign up with a social login" ?
- raarts 9y ago
  It's hard to prove that something is 'well-known' but I thought it too, and the reported stats in this post seem to confirm it.