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A proper mail client also seems essential for taking part in mailing lists. I used to use gnus but got too frustrated at people sending me email in stupid HTML

A proper mail client also seems essential for taking part in mailing lists. I used to use gnus but got too frustrated at people sending me email in stupid HTML formats that I couldn't read. Thunderbird is the easiest thing to use that behaves like a proper mail client but also deals with the garbage from bad clients like Outhouse etc.

erk__ 9y ago
At the moment I am using Wanderlust, to help with the html I have set it up so I can open them in firefox.
- johannes1234321 9y ago
  Opening HTML mail in a browser is risky due to all the scripting possibilities ... Thunderbird's HTML component allows no scripting and disables loading (remote) images (tracking when I hope the mail) how do you deal with that in such a setup? (Actually use evolution, but would like to switch to something smaller ...)
  - u801e 9y ago
    I have the "Message Body As" setting set to plain text. This either will display the text/plain part of the message or will render the HTML using plain text markers (* * for bold, / / for italics, _ _ for underscore). IME, it works out rather well for most HTML emails I receive.
    - JensRex 9y ago
      In which email client? I regularly get email that is almost impossible to read, unless I load remote images.
      - u801e 9y ago
        In Thunderbird. Most of the HTML email I receive is mostly formatted text which Thunderbird's plain text view works well on. Are the problems you're describing due to content within the images themselves, or due to placement of the text relative to the image?
- mcny 9y ago
  I've banished myself to mobile. I am trying out k9-mail and open keychain on Android. They are both available on f-droid and seem to work well. Open keychain is so much easier to deal with than what I remember of enigmail on the desktop.
  - StavrosK 9y ago
    OpenKeychain is currently the best way to manage PGP keys on any platform. I don't know why there's no good UI for the desktop, Enigmail is a distant second.
    - craftyguy 9y ago
      > OpenKeychain is currently the best way to manage PGP keys on any platform. How is it the best on any platform? I thought it only existed on Android?
      - StavrosK 9y ago
        I mean it's the best of any GUI on any platform. It's Android-only, yes.
  - limeblack 9y ago
    > I am trying out k9-mail K9mail doesn't nest reply threads[1] which is must have feature for me. Otherwise yes k9mail is good. [1] https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/763 https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/763
yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago
This may or may not help, but ex. mutt lets you read HTML mail by running it through lynx/elinks/w3m [0], and I've had great success with this in a mostly-Outlook environment. I expect you could do the same thing with other clients. [0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mutt#Viewing_HTML https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mutt#Viewing_HTML
- fulafel 9y ago
  Mutt is terrible for imap on a laptop, it hangs and loses changes when the connection dies. Or has this been fixed?
  - yepguy 9y ago
    I don't know if it's been fixed, but I recommend pointing mutt at an offline copy of your mail instead of directly at an IMAP server. Use isync or another program to sync your mail.
    - deleted 9y ago
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    - ognyankulev 9y ago
      When your mailbox is many gigabytes and you have small SSD, this is out of questions. Using IMAP allows only mail headers to be locally preserved.
    - craftyguy 9y ago
      This doesn't really work if you have multiple systems you want to access your mail from. There's no way to keep those systems in sync with each other, some folks fake it with dropbox-like services, but that's honestly not much different than just pulling over imap each time you open the mta...
      - b5 9y ago
        I use offlineimap[1] and it absolutely does work. It keeps everything on the IMAP server while giving me a local copy to work from. It's super simple to setup and use, and I'm really happy with it. [1]: http://www.offlineimap.org/ http://www.offlineimap.org/
gnufx 9y ago
Yes about mail lists. It seems Research Software Engineers these days can't cope with periodic bursts of tens of messages a day on a list. Moving to Slack left behind sme long experience coping with hundreds a day for maintenance/support. Anyhow, Gnus can render "html" articles; `mm-text-heml-renderer' defaults to the built-in `shr' in Emacs 24.

erk__ 9y ago

At the moment I am using Wanderlust, to help with the html I have set it up so I can open them in firefox.

johannes1234321 9y ago
Opening HTML mail in a browser is risky due to all the scripting possibilities ... Thunderbird's HTML component allows no scripting and disables loading (remote) images (tracking when I hope the mail) how do you deal with that in such a setup? (Actually use evolution, but would like to switch to something smaller ...)
- u801e 9y ago
  I have the "Message Body As" setting set to plain text. This either will display the text/plain part of the message or will render the HTML using plain text markers (* * for bold, / / for italics, _ _ for underscore). IME, it works out rather well for most HTML emails I receive.
  - JensRex 9y ago
    In which email client? I regularly get email that is almost impossible to read, unless I load remote images.
    - u801e 9y ago
      In Thunderbird. Most of the HTML email I receive is mostly formatted text which Thunderbird's plain text view works well on. Are the problems you're describing due to content within the images themselves, or due to placement of the text relative to the image?
mcny 9y ago
I've banished myself to mobile. I am trying out k9-mail and open keychain on Android. They are both available on f-droid and seem to work well. Open keychain is so much easier to deal with than what I remember of enigmail on the desktop.
- StavrosK 9y ago
  OpenKeychain is currently the best way to manage PGP keys on any platform. I don't know why there's no good UI for the desktop, Enigmail is a distant second.
  - craftyguy 9y ago
    > OpenKeychain is currently the best way to manage PGP keys on any platform. How is it the best on any platform? I thought it only existed on Android?
    - StavrosK 9y ago
      I mean it's the best of any GUI on any platform. It's Android-only, yes.
- limeblack 9y ago
  > I am trying out k9-mail K9mail doesn't nest reply threads[1] which is must have feature for me. Otherwise yes k9mail is good. [1] https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/763 https://github.com/k9mail/k-9/issues/763

yjftsjthsd-h 9y ago

This may or may not help, but ex. mutt lets you read HTML mail by running it through lynx/elinks/w3m [0], and I've had great success with this in a mostly-Outlook environment. I expect you could do the same thing with other clients. [0] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mutt#Viewing_HTML https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mutt#Viewing_HTML

fulafel 9y ago
Mutt is terrible for imap on a laptop, it hangs and loses changes when the connection dies. Or has this been fixed?
- yepguy 9y ago
  I don't know if it's been fixed, but I recommend pointing mutt at an offline copy of your mail instead of directly at an IMAP server. Use isync or another program to sync your mail.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - ognyankulev 9y ago
    When your mailbox is many gigabytes and you have small SSD, this is out of questions. Using IMAP allows only mail headers to be locally preserved.
  - craftyguy 9y ago
    This doesn't really work if you have multiple systems you want to access your mail from. There's no way to keep those systems in sync with each other, some folks fake it with dropbox-like services, but that's honestly not much different than just pulling over imap each time you open the mta...
    - b5 9y ago
      I use offlineimap[1] and it absolutely does work. It keeps everything on the IMAP server while giving me a local copy to work from. It's super simple to setup and use, and I'm really happy with it. [1]: http://www.offlineimap.org/ http://www.offlineimap.org/

gnufx 9y ago

Yes about mail lists. It seems Research Software Engineers these days can't cope with periodic bursts of tens of messages a day on a list. Moving to Slack left behind sme long experience coping with hundreds a day for maintenance/support. Anyhow, Gnus can render "html" articles; `mm-text-heml-renderer' defaults to the built-in `shr' in Emacs 24.