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You seem to be attempting to change the subject. I said: "Extradition for? Doing something that is legal in my country while in my country?" You said: "Ye

You seem to be attempting to change the subject. I said: "Extradition for? Doing something that is legal in my country while in my country?" You said: "Yes, that is possible." Please provide some precedent for your assertion. To extradite someone, you must first arrest them. In the United States, to arrest someone, you must have probable cause that that person violated a US law[0]. In every case you are going to be able to find, the person wanted by the dest country was either: a. In that country when they broke the law (which is a different subject with plenty of caveats). b. Violated US law and the foreign law while in the US (also a different subject). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution#Notice_of_accusation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixth_Amendment_to_the_United_...

emodendroket 9y ago
The ongoing talks about extraditing Fethullah Gulen to Turkey for his supposed role in the Turkish coup while he was in Pennsylvania seems like a counter-example to me. There is a lot of political back-and-forth over whether that should be done, but I don't see anyone claiming it would violate the Sixth Amendment to extradite him.
- jakeogh 9y ago
  First, that has not happened. Second, would it really be so hard to support your claims with sources? If the guy gets extradited, he's going to first get charged with a US crime.
  - emodendroket 9y ago
    That's not how extradition actually works. If you want to read about Gulen you can type "Gulen" into a search engine as easily as I can.
    - jakeogh 9y ago
      Don't you find it a bit odd that you keep making claims that you can not or will not support? Is a (non) reference to something that has not happened all you are willing to provide? To extradite someone from the US, you must: 1. Have probable cause to arrest them. 2. Arrest them. 3. Convict them. 4. Extradite them. Why don't you just say "how extradition actually works"?
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen#Extradition_request,_U.S.%E2%80%93Turkey_tensions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen#Extraditi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States#Extradition_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_... Here you go, my friend. I welcome you to find the part of this where it says that someone being extradited has to be found guilty of violating US law or that they have to be convicted before being extradited. As you can see here, the requirements actually have to do with what treaties say and whether there is probable cause (a much lower standard than a conviction).
        jakeogh 9y ago
        He is not a US citizen, so he is not a example of what we are talking about. I'll not go into Habeas Corpus, but you might be interested in how that works, even for him. Also, the first paragraph of the second link says "(other than citizens, nationals or permanent residents of the United States)". Wikipedia is never a source, but it's correct here. US Citizens, in the US, who have not violated US law, are not subject to the laws of any other country. That's the point of having sovereignty.

emodendroket 9y ago

The ongoing talks about extraditing Fethullah Gulen to Turkey for his supposed role in the Turkish coup while he was in Pennsylvania seems like a counter-example to me. There is a lot of political back-and-forth over whether that should be done, but I don't see anyone claiming it would violate the Sixth Amendment to extradite him.

jakeogh 9y ago
First, that has not happened. Second, would it really be so hard to support your claims with sources? If the guy gets extradited, he's going to first get charged with a US crime.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  That's not how extradition actually works. If you want to read about Gulen you can type "Gulen" into a search engine as easily as I can.
  - jakeogh 9y ago
    Don't you find it a bit odd that you keep making claims that you can not or will not support? Is a (non) reference to something that has not happened all you are willing to provide? To extradite someone from the US, you must: 1. Have probable cause to arrest them. 2. Arrest them. 3. Convict them. 4. Extradite them. Why don't you just say "how extradition actually works"?
    - emodendroket 9y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen#Extradition_request,_U.S.%E2%80%93Turkey_tensions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fethullah_G%C3%BClen#Extraditi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_States#Extradition_from_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extradition_law_in_the_United_... Here you go, my friend. I welcome you to find the part of this where it says that someone being extradited has to be found guilty of violating US law or that they have to be convicted before being extradited. As you can see here, the requirements actually have to do with what treaties say and whether there is probable cause (a much lower standard than a conviction).
      - jakeogh 9y ago
        He is not a US citizen, so he is not a example of what we are talking about. I'll not go into Habeas Corpus, but you might be interested in how that works, even for him. Also, the first paragraph of the second link says "(other than citizens, nationals or permanent residents of the United States)". Wikipedia is never a source, but it's correct here. US Citizens, in the US, who have not violated US law, are not subject to the laws of any other country. That's the point of having sovereignty.