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Cute, but for anyone who thinks China and the US are similar, please research the persecution of Falun Gong. Here's some heavily sarcastic coverage: https://ww

Cute, but for anyone who thinks China and the US are similar, please research the persecution of Falun Gong. Here's some heavily sarcastic coverage: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_cURws4UaY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_cURws4UaY

_emacsomancer_ 9y ago
I didn't say they were the same, or even equivalent.
- tzakrajs 9y ago
  > Which democracy are we talking about? China? The US? You made an equivalency without explicitly stating that they were the same or equivalent. The equivalency you made was that both China and the US could be mistaken for democracies, when in truth only the US could be mistaken for a democracy (since it is a representative democracy). China is well known to practice authoritarian rule by law through Communist Party of China and so it reasonably wouldn't be confused as a democracy.
  - _emacsomancer_ 9y ago
    Right. It's a good thing that the US has two drastically different major political parties and not just one like China.
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letslightafire 9y ago
China Uncensored is a horribly biased news site which is funded by the Falun Gong. Not saying that China's treatment of Falun Gong isn't terrible but China Uncensored is a pretty bad news source. I'd put it akin to some fake news sites.
- musage 9y ago
  > Not saying that China's treatment of Falun Gong isn't terrible Then what that is actually relevant here are you saying? I'm not a racist, but. Not saying that China's treatment of Falun Gong isn't terrible, but.
- mistermann 9y ago
  > I'd put it akin to some fake news sites. Could you provide any actual evidence of any "fake news" that they've broadcast? Or in 2018 is simply an association with another group proof enough?
  - letslightafire 9y ago
    Saying that China Uncensored is "journalism" or a news site is terribly misleading. They're a propaganda channel first and foremost and their only goal is to further the Falun Gong's personal platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tang_Dynasty_Television https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tang_Dynasty_Television This is their parent company and due to their onesidedness I wouldn't trust anything that comes from their mouth. As well as I wouldn't trust anything coming from the mouth of Breitbart, InfoWars, or any news site from China itself.
    - mistermann 9y ago
      You don't know what their only goal is. At least, they're one of very few sources that report on China negatively from a strategic, big picture perspective. To listen to you, one might think everything they say is a lie, speaking of fake news. I guess that's why you dodged my question.
      - letslightafire 9y ago
        You're right, I probably don't know what their only goal is. However, you can easily extrapolate from their parent company's goals and backgrounds and take your answer from there. "The station was founded in 2001 by Falun Gong practitioners as a Chinese-language broadcaster"[1] They produce Shen Yun, which has a strong Falun Gong backing and definitely has an agenda, what with the final act being a giant tsunami that comes in and kills all those in the mainland[2] They are partnered with the Epoch Times which is considered one of the biggest mouthpieces of the Falun Gong[3] The Epoch Times, New Tang Media, and China Uncensored are all clearly biased in one direction. I really don't know how you can say they aren't, but they don't even try to hide the fact sometimes. You have to realize that when you listen to them as you have to see their biases. >At least, they're one of very few sources that report on China negatively from a strategic, big picture perspective. Are you really sure about that? China uncensored doesn't go into high journalism and most of the time just dips their foot into news articles with clickbaity headlines and overly sarcastic monologues. I would much prefer something done by the FT, Economist, or NYT. As to why I consider them fake news. I really don't trust news at face value from China Uncensored the same way I don't trust articles from places like Breitbart. They have a way of over-exaggerating the news and twisting it into an anti-China stance. I always go find extra sources and never dwell on their one single source. [1]https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108190438992282143 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108190438992282143 [2]https://www.denverpost.com/2008/01/09/chinese-new-year-embracing-tradition/ https://www.denverpost.com/2008/01/09/chinese-new-year-embra... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_Times

_emacsomancer_ 9y ago

I didn't say they were the same, or even equivalent.

tzakrajs 9y ago
> Which democracy are we talking about? China? The US? You made an equivalency without explicitly stating that they were the same or equivalent. The equivalency you made was that both China and the US could be mistaken for democracies, when in truth only the US could be mistaken for a democracy (since it is a representative democracy). China is well known to practice authoritarian rule by law through Communist Party of China and so it reasonably wouldn't be confused as a democracy.
- _emacsomancer_ 9y ago
  Right. It's a good thing that the US has two drastically different major political parties and not just one like China.
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letslightafire 9y ago

China Uncensored is a horribly biased news site which is funded by the Falun Gong. Not saying that China's treatment of Falun Gong isn't terrible but China Uncensored is a pretty bad news source. I'd put it akin to some fake news sites.

musage 9y ago
> Not saying that China's treatment of Falun Gong isn't terrible Then what that is actually relevant here are you saying? I'm not a racist, but. Not saying that China's treatment of Falun Gong isn't terrible, but.
mistermann 9y ago
> I'd put it akin to some fake news sites. Could you provide any actual evidence of any "fake news" that they've broadcast? Or in 2018 is simply an association with another group proof enough?
- letslightafire 9y ago
  Saying that China Uncensored is "journalism" or a news site is terribly misleading. They're a propaganda channel first and foremost and their only goal is to further the Falun Gong's personal platform. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tang_Dynasty_Television https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Tang_Dynasty_Television This is their parent company and due to their onesidedness I wouldn't trust anything that comes from their mouth. As well as I wouldn't trust anything coming from the mouth of Breitbart, InfoWars, or any news site from China itself.
  - mistermann 9y ago
    You don't know what their only goal is. At least, they're one of very few sources that report on China negatively from a strategic, big picture perspective. To listen to you, one might think everything they say is a lie, speaking of fake news. I guess that's why you dodged my question.
    - letslightafire 9y ago
      You're right, I probably don't know what their only goal is. However, you can easily extrapolate from their parent company's goals and backgrounds and take your answer from there. "The station was founded in 2001 by Falun Gong practitioners as a Chinese-language broadcaster"[1] They produce Shen Yun, which has a strong Falun Gong backing and definitely has an agenda, what with the final act being a giant tsunami that comes in and kills all those in the mainland[2] They are partnered with the Epoch Times which is considered one of the biggest mouthpieces of the Falun Gong[3] The Epoch Times, New Tang Media, and China Uncensored are all clearly biased in one direction. I really don't know how you can say they aren't, but they don't even try to hide the fact sometimes. You have to realize that when you listen to them as you have to see their biases. >At least, they're one of very few sources that report on China negatively from a strategic, big picture perspective. Are you really sure about that? China uncensored doesn't go into high journalism and most of the time just dips their foot into news articles with clickbaity headlines and overly sarcastic monologues. I would much prefer something done by the FT, Economist, or NYT. As to why I consider them fake news. I really don't trust news at face value from China Uncensored the same way I don't trust articles from places like Breitbart. They have a way of over-exaggerating the news and twisting it into an anti-China stance. I always go find extra sources and never dwell on their one single source. [1]https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108190438992282143 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB108190438992282143 [2]https://www.denverpost.com/2008/01/09/chinese-new-year-embracing-tradition/ https://www.denverpost.com/2008/01/09/chinese-new-year-embra... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_Times https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epoch_Times