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I would never join or pay into such a union. I'm so happy to be able to make employment agreements freely, and if anyone threatens that, I will criticize them.

I would never join or pay into such a union. I'm so happy to be able to make employment agreements freely, and if anyone threatens that, I will criticize them. If developers in the game industry want to take crappy employment agreements because they're infatuated with video games, that is their right. The skillset is portable, and the instability of standard game dev positions is well known, game developers in general have ample opportunity to choose other software work, but opt for game dev work because they like the idea of it. I think it's unwise (from my armchair) of game companies to build their business on a cycle of crushing the dreams of young people, but it's voluntary, obvious, and well-warned.

lovich 9y ago
If you're going to criticize anyone who threatens your ability to make employment agreements freely, does that include corporations? Apple, google, and other companies we're already found working in a cartel to keep software engineer wages down, and those were just the high profile explicit agreements. I don't get people like you who find it ok for corporations to pool capital and output from all their employees in the negotiation process, but the second employees want to work together to even the playing field it's a deadly sin
- changoplatanero 9y ago
  The problem for me is that if other software developers decide to join together in a union then the government lets them negotiate on my behalf even though I do not consent.
  - lovich 9y ago
    I feel like that's the wrong view. The union is negotiating with the company and saying, work with only union employees or the union leaves en masse. Why would you have the right to just override the unions deal with the company?
    - petre 9y ago
      Because it's clearly discrimination to only hire union members. Same as only hiring christians.
      - lovich 9y ago
        It's discrimination to only hire people who will take below x$ an hour. You can make the argument that this is a bad type of discrimination and should be controlled, like discriminating against race/gender/age, but the fact that it's discrimination at all is not a strong argument
realusername 9y ago
You are still free to get a worse contract in the gaming industry without unions, there is nothing preventing you to do that.
EliRivers 9y ago
Many unions don't interfere with the ability of their members to enter into employment agreements freely. So with that new knowledge in your head, what's your next objection to such a union?

lovich 9y ago

If you're going to criticize anyone who threatens your ability to make employment agreements freely, does that include corporations? Apple, google, and other companies we're already found working in a cartel to keep software engineer wages down, and those were just the high profile explicit agreements. I don't get people like you who find it ok for corporations to pool capital and output from all their employees in the negotiation process, but the second employees want to work together to even the playing field it's a deadly sin

changoplatanero 9y ago
The problem for me is that if other software developers decide to join together in a union then the government lets them negotiate on my behalf even though I do not consent.
- lovich 9y ago
  I feel like that's the wrong view. The union is negotiating with the company and saying, work with only union employees or the union leaves en masse. Why would you have the right to just override the unions deal with the company?
  - petre 9y ago
    Because it's clearly discrimination to only hire union members. Same as only hiring christians.
    - lovich 9y ago
      It's discrimination to only hire people who will take below x$ an hour. You can make the argument that this is a bad type of discrimination and should be controlled, like discriminating against race/gender/age, but the fact that it's discrimination at all is not a strong argument

realusername 9y ago

You are still free to get a worse contract in the gaming industry without unions, there is nothing preventing you to do that.

EliRivers 9y ago

Many unions don't interfere with the ability of their members to enter into employment agreements freely. So with that new knowledge in your head, what's your next objection to such a union?