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A union will solve nothing other than leeching off some money from the workers (yay!). If you want to solve the problem you have to educate the credible little

by Paul_S 9y ago

A union will solve nothing other than leeching off some money from the workers (yay!). If you want to solve the problem you have to educate the credible little children who think working in gamedev is a privilege and are willing to work for free because "games!". Currently and for decades there has been an infinite supply of these, hence all the junior and mid roles pay less than half than any other industry.

cardplayer 9y ago
You gotta love the uncaring, cynical dev with more interest in his own pocket than the effects of automation and the well-being of his technical and non-technical co-workers. Apparently, he only believes that innovation is possible everywhere else besides unions and collective bargaining. Be positive my friend, I’m sure we’re capable of creating a new type of union in 2018.
- brucephillips 9y ago
  I'm failing to see how your comment is any less cynical than the comment above.
- snuxoll 9y ago
  > You gotta love the uncaring, cynical dev with more interest in his own pocket than the effects of automation and the well-being of his technical and non-technical co-workers. As someone who eats, sleeps and breathes automation projects you (probably) won't find somebody more worried about the human costs of automation than me. 90% of our job as an internal development team is to reduce labor costs by automating various tasks, and while we continue to grow staffing because we have continued to grow our list of contracted facilities there will be a day (even if it's a decade or more away) that REDUCTION in workforce is a possibility - I fear that day, and I can only hope by that time our civilization is prepared for it. > Be positive my friend, I’m sure we’re capable of creating a new type of union in 2018. We've always been capable, unions people complain about are almost always a direct result of poor participation by members - if you want things to change make your voice heard and vote on union issues, it's no different from politics in that fashion.
gt_ 9y ago
To claim that unions "will solve nothing" is to deny the long and well-documented history of their success. The end of collective bargaining is the end of the free market. It's very easy to understand the negative realities of unions, but nobody starts a union for fun. It's risky business. Industries are classically given plenty of chances to adjust. Sometimes they even do. That's why it's called bargaining. Small businesses, products, brands, they all work on this same principle. Go complain to Consumer Reports! You have explained why the game industry is able to take advantage of people, but nobody asked. It's well obvious. The question is whether you find the behavior acceptable. I cannot relate to punishing people for wanting a career in an $18.4 Billion industry. Maybe it is a privilege. Some would call it the American dream. Many colleges promote these degrees. Maybe that is where you should direct your anger, because the result of corporations exploiting labor is no mystery to history.
- SamReidHughes 9y ago
  Game development is a global market.
  - realusername 9y ago
    It's still concentrated in big studios, big titles are requiring a massive amount of labour and experience. It's difficult to recreate that from nowhere.

by Paul_S 9y ago

cardplayer 9y ago

You gotta love the uncaring, cynical dev with more interest in his own pocket than the effects of automation and the well-being of his technical and non-technical co-workers. Apparently, he only believes that innovation is possible everywhere else besides unions and collective bargaining. Be positive my friend, I’m sure we’re capable of creating a new type of union in 2018.

brucephillips 9y ago
I'm failing to see how your comment is any less cynical than the comment above.
snuxoll 9y ago
> You gotta love the uncaring, cynical dev with more interest in his own pocket than the effects of automation and the well-being of his technical and non-technical co-workers. As someone who eats, sleeps and breathes automation projects you (probably) won't find somebody more worried about the human costs of automation than me. 90% of our job as an internal development team is to reduce labor costs by automating various tasks, and while we continue to grow staffing because we have continued to grow our list of contracted facilities there will be a day (even if it's a decade or more away) that REDUCTION in workforce is a possibility - I fear that day, and I can only hope by that time our civilization is prepared for it. > Be positive my friend, I’m sure we’re capable of creating a new type of union in 2018. We've always been capable, unions people complain about are almost always a direct result of poor participation by members - if you want things to change make your voice heard and vote on union issues, it's no different from politics in that fashion.

gt_ 9y ago

To claim that unions "will solve nothing" is to deny the long and well-documented history of their success. The end of collective bargaining is the end of the free market. It's very easy to understand the negative realities of unions, but nobody starts a union for fun. It's risky business. Industries are classically given plenty of chances to adjust. Sometimes they even do. That's why it's called bargaining. Small businesses, products, brands, they all work on this same principle. Go complain to Consumer Reports! You have explained why the game industry is able to take advantage of people, but nobody asked. It's well obvious. The question is whether you find the behavior acceptable. I cannot relate to punishing people for wanting a career in an $18.4 Billion industry. Maybe it is a privilege. Some would call it the American dream. Many colleges promote these degrees. Maybe that is where you should direct your anger, because the result of corporations exploiting labor is no mystery to history.

SamReidHughes 9y ago
Game development is a global market.
- realusername 9y ago
  It's still concentrated in big studios, big titles are requiring a massive amount of labour and experience. It's difficult to recreate that from nowhere.