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All unions have concrete ways to make people's lives better. That's why they exist. This website glosses over them but they are pretty basic. Things like open

• briandear 9y ago
  Why would I want my salary to be the same as everyone else? If I am better than the next person and I am a better negotiator, why should my salary be identical to the lazy fuck that has the same number of years of experience? The mistake of these Marxist organizations is that they assume that workers are interchangeable parts. Maybe on an assembly line that is true, but engineering software or hardware or designing things? You can train someone to install a windshield in a Ford plant. You can’t really train someone in problem solving or creativity. I am an individual; I am not a member of a “collective.”
  • walshemj 9y ago
    Err that's not how it works in M&P (managerial and professional ) unions. SAG members don't all get paid the same ie Matt Damon doesn't get the same as say some lucky actor whos landed a lead role in pilot season. And don't take this wrong you may think you are special but your employer doesn't
  • door3 9y ago
    > Why would I want my salary to be the same as everyone else? If I am better than the next person and I am a better negotiator, why should my salary be identical to the lazy fuck that has the same number of years of experience? Why do you have disdain for other workers, who largely share your economic and political interests?
    • jpttsn 9y ago
      The same would be asked of someone about their skin color, by those who think skin colored collectives are units of economics and policy.
  • mLuby 9y ago
    Hypothetical: if you could increase your salary from what it is, but your coworker who makes less would also get that new higher salary, would you go for it? Even if you think you're better than they are? To put some numbers on it: you're at $100k and Alice is at $90k (because she's a woman?). After unionizing, you'd get $110 and Alice would get $110. Would you do it?
    • microcolonel 9y ago
      > Alice is at $90k (because she's a woman?) Any evidence of this in practice? > After unionizing, you'd get $110 and Alice would get $110. Or maybe you'd both get $100, or maybe one of you would never be hired. You've got your hypotheticals, I've got mine.
      • mLuby 9y ago
        1. Evidence of women being underpaid (in tech)? Definitely got evidence, both anecdotal and US-wide. 2. You didn't answer my hypothetical, but I'll answer yours: If my salary doesn't change but Alice gets a raise, good for her, doesn't bother me. If I never got hired I don't care about Alice's salary, likewise if she never got hired. Anyway, the parent comment complained "why would I want my salary to be the same as everyone else?" so that's what my hypothetical gets at.
        • xstartup 9y ago
          A department gets X budget, low-value employees making more money = high-value employee making less. 2. I am bothered if co-workers make more than me even when I am more important for the project and do more.
          • JetSpiegel 9y ago
            > A department gets X budget, low-value employees making more money = high-value employee making less Just like when I win in the stock market, that money comes from Warren Buffet's earnings.
  • petee 9y ago
    Union contracts can set minimums, but you can negotiate higher. And in the end, if you suck, nobody will hire you. If you don't suck, you'll make atleast a great wage, if not higher. Not all unions have seniority rules; my union naturally filters out the crap people. You are arguing that you should get more than the other guy, when in reality a decent contract can guarantee you both more than you alone might have earned. And you are a member of a collective - society.
  • rbobby 9y ago
    > If I am better than the next person and I am a better negotiator But are you really? If you don't know what your coworkers are making then you might actually be the lowest paid. :)