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Instead what I see is vague pablum that reduces to "all people are different and each individual is unique." I think that's a fantastic starting point! "We ho

Instead what I see is vague pablum that reduces to "all people are different and each individual is unique." I think that's a fantastic starting point! "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." -- Thomas Jefferson Reworded for the 21st century: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all are created equal; that they are endowed from their being with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." We know that different mentalities arise from different circumstances, so we must consciously consider a diversity of circumstances. So why not just directly measure viewpoint diversity and strive for that, then? Also, a diversity of circumstances is not absolutely equivalent to a diversity of race. To pretend otherwise is also racist.

snowwrestler 9y ago
I think it's fantastic too, in that a) it would be great if the world worked that way, and b) it's a fantasy that the world really does work that way right now. What you take as a starting point, I see as a distant goal that will take a lot of hard and uncomfortable work to reach. > So why not just directly measure viewpoint diversity and strive for that, then? By all means, go for it. If you can figure out how to do that you will become a very successful person. > Also, a diversity of circumstances is not absolutely equivalent to a diversity of race. Of course not, but in 2018, without any diversity of race in a collection of people, you will not achieve a diversity of circumstances that is representative of America.
- wu-ikkyu 9y ago
  >Of course not, but in 2018, without any diversity of race in a collection of people, you will not achieve a diversity of circumstances that is representative of America. Why does the population of every organization need to be a precise statistical match based solely on the average racial and sexual makeup of a country?
- stcredzero 9y ago
  a) it would be great if the world worked that way, and b) it's a fantasy that the world really does work that way right now. It's not perfect, but it's a heck of a lot closer than it used to be. That quip from Blazing Saddles isn't a lie, you know. People used to want to work with Black people before they'd work with the Irish. Irish peasants were even poorer than contemporaneous American slaves! Now where has that attitude gone? What you take as a starting point, I see as a distant goal that will take a lot of hard and uncomfortable work to reach. By "starting point" I mean as a foundational principle. I certainly wouldn't disagree that humanity has far to go. We're not going to get there with an authoritarian attitude like, "The beatings will continue, until morale improves." The 21st century version is, "The toxic groupthink and mass-guilt by race will continue until attitudes around race improve!" By all means, go for it. If you can figure out how to do that you will become a very successful person. How about through a calm human analysis of internal message boards, accompanied by a policy of not firing people for reasonable opinions?

snowwrestler 9y ago

I think it's fantastic too, in that a) it would be great if the world worked that way, and b) it's a fantasy that the world really does work that way right now. What you take as a starting point, I see as a distant goal that will take a lot of hard and uncomfortable work to reach. > So why not just directly measure viewpoint diversity and strive for that, then? By all means, go for it. If you can figure out how to do that you will become a very successful person. > Also, a diversity of circumstances is not absolutely equivalent to a diversity of race. Of course not, but in 2018, without any diversity of race in a collection of people, you will not achieve a diversity of circumstances that is representative of America.

wu-ikkyu 9y ago
>Of course not, but in 2018, without any diversity of race in a collection of people, you will not achieve a diversity of circumstances that is representative of America. Why does the population of every organization need to be a precise statistical match based solely on the average racial and sexual makeup of a country?
stcredzero 9y ago
a) it would be great if the world worked that way, and b) it's a fantasy that the world really does work that way right now. It's not perfect, but it's a heck of a lot closer than it used to be. That quip from Blazing Saddles isn't a lie, you know. People used to want to work with Black people before they'd work with the Irish. Irish peasants were even poorer than contemporaneous American slaves! Now where has that attitude gone? What you take as a starting point, I see as a distant goal that will take a lot of hard and uncomfortable work to reach. By "starting point" I mean as a foundational principle. I certainly wouldn't disagree that humanity has far to go. We're not going to get there with an authoritarian attitude like, "The beatings will continue, until morale improves." The 21st century version is, "The toxic groupthink and mass-guilt by race will continue until attitudes around race improve!" By all means, go for it. If you can figure out how to do that you will become a very successful person. How about through a calm human analysis of internal message boards, accompanied by a policy of not firing people for reasonable opinions?