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Deleting Facebook now, without good alternatives, might cause more problems than good. Instead, we should first model what the future of social networking shou

Deleting Facebook now, without good alternatives, might cause more problems than good. Instead, we should first model what the future of social networking should look like: https://hackernoon.com/a-new-kind-of-social-network-emotional-intelligence-e45dcddb1bdb https://hackernoon.com/a-new-kind-of-social-network-emotiona... Then I am curious to hear people's thoughts on: - Mastodon - Secure Scuttlebutt - Steemit etc.

glibgil 9y ago
> Deleting Facebook now, without good alternatives, might cause more problems than good It's safe to do it now. I got you covered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk http://www.spacex.com/ http://www.spacex.com/ https://www.tesla.com/ https://www.tesla.com/
- deleted 9y ago
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- aaron-lebo 9y ago
  What's this mean? Really rich dude did something, you should too? Is it not "safe" to do something until the guy people worship does something? Have respect for yourself.
  - ModernMech 9y ago
    Parent is saying that the Facebook alternative is a personal/corporate website.
    - aaron-lebo 9y ago
      Maybe (though it's vague enough to mean anything), but it's definitely of the Musk does it, you can too variety. Those alternatives never went anywhere for the past 14 years. Musk is late to the game, what's his wiki prove? The "I've got new respect for Musk" mantra (actually stated in this thread) when he's doing what other people have been doing for a decade, only difference is, he's rich, is very follow the crowd for something which prides itself on individuality like HN.
      - HenryBemis 9y ago
        I think that the message ModernMech is trying to convey is the following: -if you want to read the news for Tesla, go to their website -you don't need to be spied on 24/7 and having that "intelligence" coming back to bite you -you don't need a constant spy to follow you around to any page with a "like" button -you don't need to waste 60mins in cat videos and party photos on a party you were not invited, if your actual need to see the news about the new Tesla XYZ car
abritinthebay 9y ago
> I am curious to hear people's thoughts on: Mastodon, Secure Scuttlebutt, Steemit None of them are very good...?
2474 9y ago
I #deletedFacebook a decade ago. I've been more than fine, as will everyone.
- smokeyj 9y ago
  Hearing people’s rationalization for why leaving FB is impossible makes you realize how addictive and insidious the product truly is.
  - glial 9y ago
    Seriously. It's like listening to smokers rationalize why they can't stop.
    - arvinsim 9y ago
      Conveniently ignoring that smokers do have a substance addition to nicotine.
      - glial 9y ago
        I'm not ignoring it. The rationalizations just sounds similar, that's all. If anything it speaks to the strength of people's addiction to Facebook.
reitanqild 9y ago
Many of us use Telegram. Others use Signal. Signal advantages: tptacek thinks the crypto is good. Signal disadvantage: It wont work with limited permissions on your phone according to some people on HN. Telegram advantage: somewhat more userfriendly. Larger userbase. Works even if you limit its permissions. Telegram disadvantage: every cryptographer seems to think their crypto is bad. Uncertainty wrt their relations with Russian government. (I think they are enemies but some think they are very good friends or blackmailed into cooperation.)
- chappi42 9y ago
  > Many of us use Telegram. And some friends and me use Threema. Very old fashioned: you pay some money and get a product. But I wouldn't want to switch.
  - reitanqild 9y ago
    Sounds like a product I'd like. I used to like WhatsApp, another app with an old-fashioned business model ...
  - theyinwhy 9y ago
    Imho threema is the best client overall. Very fast, very reliable, great UI, good crypto. Designed for company usage. Security whise however I guess Signal has the upper hand. They both audit their crypto: Threema audit: https://threema.ch/es/faq/code_audit https://threema.ch/es/faq/code_audit Signal audit: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf
- sah2ed 9y ago
  > Signal disadvantage: It wont work with limited permissions on your phone according to some people on HN. I'm curious as to what those limited permissions are? I assume this refers to iOS, because in my experience, Android is not as restrictive of apps.
  - theyinwhy 9y ago
    Not anymore, fixed approx. 2 months ago, see changelog: > This holiday season, don't ask for everything all at once (especially during installation). Signal now supports dynamic permissions.
telesilla 9y ago
Secure Scuttlebutt is pretty amazing. I've seen a few demos of people who run a private social network app, Patchwork. Definitely something to look out for.

glibgil 9y ago

> Deleting Facebook now, without good alternatives, might cause more problems than good It's safe to do it now. I got you covered: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk http://www.spacex.com/ http://www.spacex.com/ https://www.tesla.com/ https://www.tesla.com/

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aaron-lebo 9y ago
What's this mean? Really rich dude did something, you should too? Is it not "safe" to do something until the guy people worship does something? Have respect for yourself.
- ModernMech 9y ago
  Parent is saying that the Facebook alternative is a personal/corporate website.
  - aaron-lebo 9y ago
    Maybe (though it's vague enough to mean anything), but it's definitely of the Musk does it, you can too variety. Those alternatives never went anywhere for the past 14 years. Musk is late to the game, what's his wiki prove? The "I've got new respect for Musk" mantra (actually stated in this thread) when he's doing what other people have been doing for a decade, only difference is, he's rich, is very follow the crowd for something which prides itself on individuality like HN.
    - HenryBemis 9y ago
      I think that the message ModernMech is trying to convey is the following: -if you want to read the news for Tesla, go to their website -you don't need to be spied on 24/7 and having that "intelligence" coming back to bite you -you don't need a constant spy to follow you around to any page with a "like" button -you don't need to waste 60mins in cat videos and party photos on a party you were not invited, if your actual need to see the news about the new Tesla XYZ car

abritinthebay 9y ago

> I am curious to hear people's thoughts on: Mastodon, Secure Scuttlebutt, Steemit None of them are very good...?

2474 9y ago

I #deletedFacebook a decade ago. I've been more than fine, as will everyone.

smokeyj 9y ago
Hearing people’s rationalization for why leaving FB is impossible makes you realize how addictive and insidious the product truly is.
- glial 9y ago
  Seriously. It's like listening to smokers rationalize why they can't stop.
  - arvinsim 9y ago
    Conveniently ignoring that smokers do have a substance addition to nicotine.
    - glial 9y ago
      I'm not ignoring it. The rationalizations just sounds similar, that's all. If anything it speaks to the strength of people's addiction to Facebook.

reitanqild 9y ago

Many of us use Telegram. Others use Signal. Signal advantages: tptacek thinks the crypto is good. Signal disadvantage: It wont work with limited permissions on your phone according to some people on HN. Telegram advantage: somewhat more userfriendly. Larger userbase. Works even if you limit its permissions. Telegram disadvantage: every cryptographer seems to think their crypto is bad. Uncertainty wrt their relations with Russian government. (I think they are enemies but some think they are very good friends or blackmailed into cooperation.)

chappi42 9y ago
> Many of us use Telegram. And some friends and me use Threema. Very old fashioned: you pay some money and get a product. But I wouldn't want to switch.
- reitanqild 9y ago
  Sounds like a product I'd like. I used to like WhatsApp, another app with an old-fashioned business model ...
- theyinwhy 9y ago
  Imho threema is the best client overall. Very fast, very reliable, great UI, good crypto. Designed for company usage. Security whise however I guess Signal has the upper hand. They both audit their crypto: Threema audit: https://threema.ch/es/faq/code_audit https://threema.ch/es/faq/code_audit Signal audit: https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf https://eprint.iacr.org/2016/1013.pdf
sah2ed 9y ago
> Signal disadvantage: It wont work with limited permissions on your phone according to some people on HN. I'm curious as to what those limited permissions are? I assume this refers to iOS, because in my experience, Android is not as restrictive of apps.
- theyinwhy 9y ago
  Not anymore, fixed approx. 2 months ago, see changelog: > This holiday season, don't ask for everything all at once (especially during installation). Signal now supports dynamic permissions.

telesilla 9y ago

Secure Scuttlebutt is pretty amazing. I've seen a few demos of people who run a private social network app, Patchwork. Definitely something to look out for.