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While I don't normally give much weight to Business Insider, they have an interesting theory [1] that this is related to Zuckerberg's nasty comments about Space

by iooi 9y ago

While I don't normally give much weight to Business Insider, they have an interesting theory [1] that this is related to Zuckerberg's nasty comments about SpaceX after the rocket carrying Facebook's 85M satellite blew up. Must feel pretty good for Elon considering how much press this is getting. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-deletes-tesla-spacex-facebook-pages-2018-3 http://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-deletes-tesla-space...

anocendi 9y ago
Don't forget another instance of back and forth between MZ and EM on twitter about "Dangers of Artificial Intelligence."
908087 9y ago
That was one of the few times that a rocket blowing up put a smile on my face. The last thing the world needs is Facebook satellites constantly orbiting overhead.
- pocketstar 9y ago
  The satellite was headed to geostationary orbit over africa, 4Deg west. Unless you live in northern africa the satellite would never be overhead.
  - deleted 9y ago
    [deleted]
  - gnode 9y ago
    Being pedantic: In GEO, with an orbital radius of about 42Mm, and earth having a radius of 7Mm, that gives a radius of 7Mm * acos( 7Mm / 42Mm ) ~ 9800km around 4°W (almost a hemisphere), for which it would be overhead. But admittedly it would only give service to a portion of that.
    - perilunar 9y ago
      Props for Mm, instead of 'thousand km'.
  - 908087 9y ago
    1.) I assumed that they would be launching more than 1 eventually. 2.) Even that one satellite would likely be used to serve up things like "free basics", which would assist Facebook in further convincing the people being served by it that Facebook is "the internet". 3.) Satellites in geostationary orbits are still "constantly orbiting overhead", in case what you were doing was just trying to be pedantic or imply that I was trying to say this one satellite was going to be circling the globe. So my point stands.
pocketstar 9y ago
Facebook didnt own the satellite, msm would lead you to believe they did. Facebook had just leased all the capacity of the satellite from Spacecom. Facebook lost nothing, there was no feaud.
- reaperducer 9y ago
  > msm would lead you to believe they did Yes, blame the media. A faceless abstraction to take your frustrations out on. The reason people believe Facebook owned the satellite is because of Zuck's own words: "SpaceX’s launch failure destroyed our satellite." Note he said "our," not "the bird we were going to lease time on." Not that much different from people saying "my car" when they're still making payments to a bank.
  - djanogo 9y ago
    Pocketstar is right. Media is supposed to do the checks for any statements and provide the correct info, not just reprint tweets and dramatize them.
    - reaperducer 9y ago
      99% of "media" reporters are general assignment. That means today they're reporting on rockets. Tomorrow on cats. Nobody can be an expert in everything, which is why there is niche media. In mass media, there's a spectrum between fast and accurate. The internet age prioritizes fast over accurate.
  - ams6110 9y ago
    Yeah actually I think that's the way almost anyone would have described it. Just like you say "my office" for the space your company leases and you work in. But I also agree that it is part of what the news media is supposed to do to point out that the satellite wasn't actually owned by Facebook.
dandelany 9y ago
Sounds overblown to me. Zuck's statement was: “As I’m here in Africa, I’m deeply disappointed to hear that SpaceX’s launch failure destroyed our satellite that would have provided connectivity to so many entrepreneurs and everyone else across the continent.” I don't see anything nasty about that. It was SpaceX's failure.
- ggg9990 9y ago
  And #deleteFacebook is Facebook’s fault. MZ could have phrased his statement more charitably — if he had, Musk may have responded differently.
- 3327 9y ago
  Basically - Musk Is the MAN!
  - berbec 9y ago
    OT: do/did you work at a Domino's in the Hudson Valley?
    - 3327 9y ago
      whats wrong with working at Domino's in the Hudson valley? I don't think you need to work at Domino's to think the man is a man of his word and a bias towards action.
      - ctdonath 9y ago
        He didn't indicate there was. He's just asking. Strikes me that he somehow recognizes you from there. "OT" = Off Topic, so the question wasn't about "the man".
        berbec 9y ago
        His handle was the store number of the Domino's in Poughkeepsie.
rsp1984 9y ago
Not too long ago there was also some beef on Twitter between Elon and Zuck about AI [1]. Guess that made the decision a bit easier for Elon. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/25/16024444/ai-safety-threat-elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/25/16024444/ai-safety-threat...
eveningcoffee 9y ago
>Musk's negative feelings torwards Facebook may be related to a 2016 dispute where Zuckerberg implied that he blamed SpaceX for a failed launch which destroyed a Facebook satellite. And today is a what year? I had a better opinion about Business Insider. If that was the reason then why did he not delete the accounts on 2016? I think that the journalist is trying to mislead the public opinion.
- gowld 9y ago
  Why? Business Insider is an SEO operation run by someone who is permanently banned from the securities industry due to fraud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Blodget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Blodget
- Mahn 9y ago
  Well you certainly get a lot more press for dissing Facebook right now than back then. It's the scapegoat of the moment, may as well take advantage and get on board if it suits you.
deevolution 9y ago
So glad that facebook satelite blew up.
sah2ed 9y ago
I think Occam's razor applies. Several days ago, Musk posted about his brand new "media empire" called Thud! [0] — "That’s the name of my new intergalactic media empire, exclamation point optional" [1]. Not implying that he is building a FB competitor but I'd rather we wait and see, rather than speculate as to his motives for deleting those accounts/pages. EDIT: Thinking about it a little more, he hasn't deleted his Instagram yet although he acknowledges "FB influence is slowly creeping in". I think the influence he is referring to is the unintended consequences of the AI powering "The Algorithm" used by Facebook, which no one seems to fully understand. IOW his fears about an all encompassing AI may have something to do with his decision. He has publicly criticized Zuck for being naive [2] about the risks that careless application of AI portends to everyone. “AI is a rare case where we need to be proactive in regulation instead of reactive because if we’re reactive in AI regulation it’s too late,” [0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/973857445683462145 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/973857445683462145 [11 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/973972643190792193 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/973972643190792193 [2] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/889743782387761152 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/889743782387761152

by iooi 9y ago

anocendi 9y ago

Don't forget another instance of back and forth between MZ and EM on twitter about "Dangers of Artificial Intelligence."

908087 9y ago

That was one of the few times that a rocket blowing up put a smile on my face. The last thing the world needs is Facebook satellites constantly orbiting overhead.

pocketstar 9y ago
The satellite was headed to geostationary orbit over africa, 4Deg west. Unless you live in northern africa the satellite would never be overhead.
- deleted 9y ago
  [deleted]
- gnode 9y ago
  Being pedantic: In GEO, with an orbital radius of about 42Mm, and earth having a radius of 7Mm, that gives a radius of 7Mm * acos( 7Mm / 42Mm ) ~ 9800km around 4°W (almost a hemisphere), for which it would be overhead. But admittedly it would only give service to a portion of that.
  - perilunar 9y ago
    Props for Mm, instead of 'thousand km'.
- 908087 9y ago
  1.) I assumed that they would be launching more than 1 eventually. 2.) Even that one satellite would likely be used to serve up things like "free basics", which would assist Facebook in further convincing the people being served by it that Facebook is "the internet". 3.) Satellites in geostationary orbits are still "constantly orbiting overhead", in case what you were doing was just trying to be pedantic or imply that I was trying to say this one satellite was going to be circling the globe. So my point stands.

pocketstar 9y ago

Facebook didnt own the satellite, msm would lead you to believe they did. Facebook had just leased all the capacity of the satellite from Spacecom. Facebook lost nothing, there was no feaud.

reaperducer 9y ago
> msm would lead you to believe they did Yes, blame the media. A faceless abstraction to take your frustrations out on. The reason people believe Facebook owned the satellite is because of Zuck's own words: "SpaceX’s launch failure destroyed our satellite." Note he said "our," not "the bird we were going to lease time on." Not that much different from people saying "my car" when they're still making payments to a bank.
- djanogo 9y ago
  Pocketstar is right. Media is supposed to do the checks for any statements and provide the correct info, not just reprint tweets and dramatize them.
  - reaperducer 9y ago
    99% of "media" reporters are general assignment. That means today they're reporting on rockets. Tomorrow on cats. Nobody can be an expert in everything, which is why there is niche media. In mass media, there's a spectrum between fast and accurate. The internet age prioritizes fast over accurate.
- ams6110 9y ago
  Yeah actually I think that's the way almost anyone would have described it. Just like you say "my office" for the space your company leases and you work in. But I also agree that it is part of what the news media is supposed to do to point out that the satellite wasn't actually owned by Facebook.

dandelany 9y ago

Sounds overblown to me. Zuck's statement was: “As I’m here in Africa, I’m deeply disappointed to hear that SpaceX’s launch failure destroyed our satellite that would have provided connectivity to so many entrepreneurs and everyone else across the continent.” I don't see anything nasty about that. It was SpaceX's failure.

ggg9990 9y ago
And #deleteFacebook is Facebook’s fault. MZ could have phrased his statement more charitably — if he had, Musk may have responded differently.
3327 9y ago
Basically - Musk Is the MAN!
- berbec 9y ago
  OT: do/did you work at a Domino's in the Hudson Valley?
  - 3327 9y ago
    whats wrong with working at Domino's in the Hudson valley? I don't think you need to work at Domino's to think the man is a man of his word and a bias towards action.
    - ctdonath 9y ago
      He didn't indicate there was. He's just asking. Strikes me that he somehow recognizes you from there. "OT" = Off Topic, so the question wasn't about "the man".
      - berbec 9y ago
        His handle was the store number of the Domino's in Poughkeepsie.

rsp1984 9y ago

Not too long ago there was also some beef on Twitter between Elon and Zuck about AI [1]. Guess that made the decision a bit easier for Elon. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/25/16024444/ai-safety-threat-elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/25/16024444/ai-safety-threat...

eveningcoffee 9y ago

>Musk's negative feelings torwards Facebook may be related to a 2016 dispute where Zuckerberg implied that he blamed SpaceX for a failed launch which destroyed a Facebook satellite. And today is a what year? I had a better opinion about Business Insider. If that was the reason then why did he not delete the accounts on 2016? I think that the journalist is trying to mislead the public opinion.

gowld 9y ago
Why? Business Insider is an SEO operation run by someone who is permanently banned from the securities industry due to fraud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Blodget https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Blodget
Mahn 9y ago
Well you certainly get a lot more press for dissing Facebook right now than back then. It's the scapegoat of the moment, may as well take advantage and get on board if it suits you.

deevolution 9y ago

So glad that facebook satelite blew up.

sah2ed 9y ago

I think Occam's razor applies. Several days ago, Musk posted about his brand new "media empire" called Thud! [0] — "That’s the name of my new intergalactic media empire, exclamation point optional" [1]. Not implying that he is building a FB competitor but I'd rather we wait and see, rather than speculate as to his motives for deleting those accounts/pages. EDIT: Thinking about it a little more, he hasn't deleted his Instagram yet although he acknowledges "FB influence is slowly creeping in". I think the influence he is referring to is the unintended consequences of the AI powering "The Algorithm" used by Facebook, which no one seems to fully understand. IOW his fears about an all encompassing AI may have something to do with his decision. He has publicly criticized Zuck for being naive [2] about the risks that careless application of AI portends to everyone. “AI is a rare case where we need to be proactive in regulation instead of reactive because if we’re reactive in AI regulation it’s too late,” [0] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/973857445683462145 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/973857445683462145 [11 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/973972643190792193 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/973972643190792193 [2] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/889743782387761152 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/889743782387761152