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Facebook pages are in and of themselves avenues for marketing. Stop being so damn cynical about every single thing people do. It is possible, believe it or no

by d23 9y ago

Facebook pages are in and of themselves avenues for marketing. Stop being so damn cynical about every single thing people do. It is possible, believe it or not, for people to have personal values and beliefs that extend beyond the ceaseless desire for money.

paulcole 9y ago
> It is possible, believe it or not, for people to have personal values and beliefs that extend beyond the ceaseless desire for money. The best trick is to make people believe this when the opposite is more true.
lorenzorhoades 9y ago
I think the OP above is being practical as opposed to cynical. TBH, most of the demographic that followed him on FB also have insta and twitter. Most of the people i know in my age group (college age - 24) don't even use FB anymore. Theres a little joke that as soon as your parents start to use the platform its time to jump ship. On top of that, its created articles like this - which has led to even more publicity. I also wasn't aware that any of these FB pages existed but i follow them all on insta and twitter.
- antisocial 9y ago
  My thoughts exactly, practicality as opposed to cynicism. Also, what are his personal values? Who knows? Why does he bore the underground with abandon even when he acknowledges that the environmental impacts are not completely know. One study says autonomous vehicles can be as effective for congestion easing as his underground tunnels. His transportation is the next level of dependency he is creating and we are turning a blind eye to. As these corporations' services get too essential (through lobbying), there won't be any choice to #delete_boring. I respect him for what he has achieved, but too much celebrity worship is something we should all be watchful of.
  - skellera 9y ago
    I believe that future cities shouldn’t require roads. The amount of space wasted on roads and parking can be used for better things. And if anyone hasn’t noticed (this gets brought up all the time), Musk is commercializing everything needed for colonization of the moon/Mars. Electric motors, solar energy, underground infrastructure, and space travel.
    - zentiggr 9y ago
      Considering his big picture goal is "humans on more than one world", this makes perfect sense. And isn't 100% obvious.
      - TeMPOraL 9y ago
        He's been talking about Mars since day one. It's just some people refuse to listen / believe that he really means it.
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bobthechef 9y ago
> Stop being so damn cynical [...] people to have personal values and beliefs that extend beyond the ceaseless desire for money. They do, but a great deal of stuff out there, if not determined wholly by profit, is at least heavily influenced or constrained by it or similar considerations. Social media is full of self-promoters and curated personas with spurious motives. What curated personas like these publish is in the best case constrained by profit, but in practice done to enhance the brand. Elon Musk is a brand. The deletion of his Facebook pages is at best irrelevant, but most likely just a cheap and easy way to enhance his celebrity or dissociate himself from Facebook. Why else delete them, and delete them now? The recent media brouhaha is largely a nothingburger in the greater context. You think Elon didn't know what many people have known about the use of data extracted from social media?
rdiddly 9y ago
I don't find it overly cynical. I distrust Elon Musk and other public figures and their motives at all times, just as a matter of policy. Also having values that extend beyond money is, ironically, a lot easier when you have plenty of money.
- squarefoot 9y ago
  In today's society having tons of money is the best possible approximation of not needing money at all, which makes having values beyond it (and following them) a lot easier. Not that I'm criticizing Musk as I respect him as much as I have low consideration for Zuckerberg, but if Tesla was a startup struggling to stay afloat it probably would have changed something.
- hutzlibu 9y ago
  "Also having values that extend beyond money is, ironically, a lot easier when you have plenty of money." In general, yes. But I believe that neither Musk, nor Zuck have "plenty of money". Not when one of them ones to go to mars and the other one control the worlds communication. As you need really much money for both.
adamsea 9y ago
He is defining the SpaceX brand. He may or may not have strong opinions about Facebook.
loceng 9y ago
And this is why Elon is so successful, he cares deeply and he has integrity.
- paulcole 9y ago
  Many people care deeply and have integrity. Why aren't they successful?
  - loceng 9y ago
    My comment doesn't say others won't be successful, I perhaps should have said it's a reason why he's so successful - albeit not the only reason.
justicezyx 9y ago
My comment is accurate and object, and it is particularly appropriate in response to "respect".
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aylmao 9y ago
As entertaining as I think this is, come on. He took a dare to prove he is "the man", give me a break. It's an amazing PR move (and a pretty funny one too), but this isn't about "personal values"; it's about the same as the flamethrower and the Roadster launch, Elon being Elon, and showing everyone he is Elon. What's better than being a playful billionaire who is in full control of his companies? Everyone knowing he is a playful billionaire who is in full control of his companies lol. If it were about "personal values" he would've released a statement condemning the events and deleted his and his companies instagram accounts too. Instagram is the hot place to build "cool" brand value right now though, so I doubt he will. Facebook pages are useful for a number of reasons, but not essential to the way Tesla and SpaceX make money.

by d23 9y ago

paulcole 9y ago

> It is possible, believe it or not, for people to have personal values and beliefs that extend beyond the ceaseless desire for money. The best trick is to make people believe this when the opposite is more true.

lorenzorhoades 9y ago

I think the OP above is being practical as opposed to cynical. TBH, most of the demographic that followed him on FB also have insta and twitter. Most of the people i know in my age group (college age - 24) don't even use FB anymore. Theres a little joke that as soon as your parents start to use the platform its time to jump ship. On top of that, its created articles like this - which has led to even more publicity. I also wasn't aware that any of these FB pages existed but i follow them all on insta and twitter.

antisocial 9y ago
My thoughts exactly, practicality as opposed to cynicism. Also, what are his personal values? Who knows? Why does he bore the underground with abandon even when he acknowledges that the environmental impacts are not completely know. One study says autonomous vehicles can be as effective for congestion easing as his underground tunnels. His transportation is the next level of dependency he is creating and we are turning a blind eye to. As these corporations' services get too essential (through lobbying), there won't be any choice to #delete_boring. I respect him for what he has achieved, but too much celebrity worship is something we should all be watchful of.
- skellera 9y ago
  I believe that future cities shouldn’t require roads. The amount of space wasted on roads and parking can be used for better things. And if anyone hasn’t noticed (this gets brought up all the time), Musk is commercializing everything needed for colonization of the moon/Mars. Electric motors, solar energy, underground infrastructure, and space travel.
  - zentiggr 9y ago
    Considering his big picture goal is "humans on more than one world", this makes perfect sense. And isn't 100% obvious.
    - TeMPOraL 9y ago
      He's been talking about Mars since day one. It's just some people refuse to listen / believe that he really means it.
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bobthechef 9y ago

> Stop being so damn cynical [...] people to have personal values and beliefs that extend beyond the ceaseless desire for money. They do, but a great deal of stuff out there, if not determined wholly by profit, is at least heavily influenced or constrained by it or similar considerations. Social media is full of self-promoters and curated personas with spurious motives. What curated personas like these publish is in the best case constrained by profit, but in practice done to enhance the brand. Elon Musk is a brand. The deletion of his Facebook pages is at best irrelevant, but most likely just a cheap and easy way to enhance his celebrity or dissociate himself from Facebook. Why else delete them, and delete them now? The recent media brouhaha is largely a nothingburger in the greater context. You think Elon didn't know what many people have known about the use of data extracted from social media?

rdiddly 9y ago

I don't find it overly cynical. I distrust Elon Musk and other public figures and their motives at all times, just as a matter of policy. Also having values that extend beyond money is, ironically, a lot easier when you have plenty of money.

squarefoot 9y ago
In today's society having tons of money is the best possible approximation of not needing money at all, which makes having values beyond it (and following them) a lot easier. Not that I'm criticizing Musk as I respect him as much as I have low consideration for Zuckerberg, but if Tesla was a startup struggling to stay afloat it probably would have changed something.
hutzlibu 9y ago
"Also having values that extend beyond money is, ironically, a lot easier when you have plenty of money." In general, yes. But I believe that neither Musk, nor Zuck have "plenty of money". Not when one of them ones to go to mars and the other one control the worlds communication. As you need really much money for both.

adamsea 9y ago

He is defining the SpaceX brand. He may or may not have strong opinions about Facebook.

loceng 9y ago

And this is why Elon is so successful, he cares deeply and he has integrity.

paulcole 9y ago
Many people care deeply and have integrity. Why aren't they successful?
- loceng 9y ago
  My comment doesn't say others won't be successful, I perhaps should have said it's a reason why he's so successful - albeit not the only reason.

justicezyx 9y ago

My comment is accurate and object, and it is particularly appropriate in response to "respect".

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aylmao 9y ago

As entertaining as I think this is, come on. He took a dare to prove he is "the man", give me a break. It's an amazing PR move (and a pretty funny one too), but this isn't about "personal values"; it's about the same as the flamethrower and the Roadster launch, Elon being Elon, and showing everyone he is Elon. What's better than being a playful billionaire who is in full control of his companies? Everyone knowing he is a playful billionaire who is in full control of his companies lol. If it were about "personal values" he would've released a statement condemning the events and deleted his and his companies instagram accounts too. Instagram is the hot place to build "cool" brand value right now though, so I doubt he will. Facebook pages are useful for a number of reasons, but not essential to the way Tesla and SpaceX make money.