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would it not be better for the #deletefacebook movement to delete all data and post a single protest message instead? Future users clicking through to the Space

would it not be better for the #deletefacebook movement to delete all data and post a single protest message instead? Future users clicking through to the SpaceX or Tesla pages from links on the net won't know why they did this.

cryptoz 9y ago
> would it not be better for the #deletefacebook movement to [not #deletefacebook] No, no it wouldn't. The movement doesn't work if literally nobody does it. The point of the movement is not to preserve Facebook pages for all future visitors! The point is to have those links go nowhere. Future visitors will find out why there isn't a page if they care to, and that only fuels the movement. Edit: Since I'm not allowed to reply any more (banned on HN again for probably "low-quality posts"??), here is my reply to the comment below. > but you know that actually deleting a page simply sets a isDeleted=true flag in a database right? You act like deleting the content on Facebook doesn't just also set the same flag. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with that. #deletefacebook is about Deleting Facebook. If you try to make it about something else you clearly aren't getting it. Delete Facebook means Delete Facebook. Get off it. Break the links. Make everything go away. It does not mean to continue to use Facebook as a platform to deliver a message, as you keep saying. It means, Delete Facebook. Edit #2: Another reply below that I am banned from replying directly to, so here it is. > the point of deleting facebook isn't to delete facebook - it's to try to harm facebook. Is this satire or what? The point of deleting facebook is to delete facebook! That's it! There's nothing else! > My suggestion does more harm. No it does not. Leaving Facebook accounts open is telling the world you approve. It doesn't matter what message you put there. You are still giving them money and telling everyone you know that Facebook should get their money too and their time and their attention by going to Facebook to read a message that you posted. The point of deleting Facebook is deleting Facebook. Edit #3, another response to a comment I'm banned from replying to: > People aren't deleting facebook just for the sake of it, there's a meaning and purpose behind the movement. You want them to not delete facebook at all. You want Facebook's 2B+ active users to stay on the platform and not delete their accounts. This is not getting behind the movement, this is a distraction meant to stop people from actually following the movement. You seem to think that the most successful way for the movement to succeed is for literally nobody to participate. That doesn't make any sense. The way for this to work is not your way, it is the total breakage of all those links, the total removal of Facebook's content and accounts from the internet. You will not get very far trying to convince #deletefacebook people that really, truly, they shouldn't delete their accounts, they should keep the convenience there and make sure everybody knows that facebook.com is where you go to learn about boycotting Facebook. You want everyone to go to facebook.com to learn more about some social movement. You are not going to win this - #deletefacebook isn't some half-arsed little game where nobody deletes anything. It's a movement whereby people are saying "Don't go to facebook.com for any reason, there's nothing there any more". Edit #4: This comment and thread are a mess to read. Why does HN not let me reply? Is this format of conversation really better than just letting me participate like everyone else?
- beaconstudios 9y ago
  but you know that actually deleting a page simply sets a isDeleted=true flag in a database right? It's not removing your data from facebook, it's denying other users' access to your data in protest. Deleting everything on your account does the same thing, plus you can leave an anti-facebook message on your account to spread the message. It's the equivalent of sticking a new message over a billboard instead of just burning the thing down - it's more clearly attributable to an act of protest and you can tell people why they should boycott facebook at the same time.
  - isostatic 9y ago
    GDPR goes live in a couple of months. After that, a $1.6b fine waits facebook if all they do is "simply set a isDeleted=true flag in a database"
- beaconstudios 9y ago
  you seem to be suggesting that having a completely blank profile (plus a protest message) somehow has a different effect on facebook's ability to use your profile to their advantage - it doesn't. The only real difference is that if you blank off your profile you can try to spread the message - either way you've left facebook and won't provide them with any more data, interaction, etc. Change your password to something randomised if you're worried you might be tempted back. And saying "delete facebook means delete facebook" has literally no meaning at all. An act of protest has an aim, the point of deleting facebook isn't to delete facebook - it's to try to harm facebook. My suggestion does more harm.
- beaconstudios 9y ago
  > Is this satire or what? The point of deleting facebook is to delete facebook! That's it! There's nothing else! Circular logic is no logic at all. I'm trying to point at the purpose of the movement. People aren't deleting facebook just for the sake of it, there's a meaning and purpose behind the movement. But if we can't get past the idea that a movement has a purpose, there's nothing more to talk about.
- beaconstudios 9y ago

cryptoz 9y ago

> would it not be better for the #deletefacebook movement to [not #deletefacebook] No, no it wouldn't. The movement doesn't work if literally nobody does it. The point of the movement is not to preserve Facebook pages for all future visitors! The point is to have those links go nowhere. Future visitors will find out why there isn't a page if they care to, and that only fuels the movement. Edit: Since I'm not allowed to reply any more (banned on HN again for probably "low-quality posts"??), here is my reply to the comment below. > but you know that actually deleting a page simply sets a isDeleted=true flag in a database right? You act like deleting the content on Facebook doesn't just also set the same flag. I'm not sure what you're trying to achieve with that. #deletefacebook is about Deleting Facebook. If you try to make it about something else you clearly aren't getting it. Delete Facebook means Delete Facebook. Get off it. Break the links. Make everything go away. It does not mean to continue to use Facebook as a platform to deliver a message, as you keep saying. It means, Delete Facebook. Edit #2: Another reply below that I am banned from replying directly to, so here it is. > the point of deleting facebook isn't to delete facebook - it's to try to harm facebook. Is this satire or what? The point of deleting facebook is to delete facebook! That's it! There's nothing else! > My suggestion does more harm. No it does not. Leaving Facebook accounts open is telling the world you approve. It doesn't matter what message you put there. You are still giving them money and telling everyone you know that Facebook should get their money too and their time and their attention by going to Facebook to read a message that you posted. The point of deleting Facebook is deleting Facebook. Edit #3, another response to a comment I'm banned from replying to: > People aren't deleting facebook just for the sake of it, there's a meaning and purpose behind the movement. You want them to not delete facebook at all. You want Facebook's 2B+ active users to stay on the platform and not delete their accounts. This is not getting behind the movement, this is a distraction meant to stop people from actually following the movement. You seem to think that the most successful way for the movement to succeed is for literally nobody to participate. That doesn't make any sense. The way for this to work is not your way, it is the total breakage of all those links, the total removal of Facebook's content and accounts from the internet. You will not get very far trying to convince #deletefacebook people that really, truly, they shouldn't delete their accounts, they should keep the convenience there and make sure everybody knows that facebook.com is where you go to learn about boycotting Facebook. You want everyone to go to facebook.com to learn more about some social movement. You are not going to win this - #deletefacebook isn't some half-arsed little game where nobody deletes anything. It's a movement whereby people are saying "Don't go to facebook.com for any reason, there's nothing there any more". Edit #4: This comment and thread are a mess to read. Why does HN not let me reply? Is this format of conversation really better than just letting me participate like everyone else?

beaconstudios 9y ago
but you know that actually deleting a page simply sets a isDeleted=true flag in a database right? It's not removing your data from facebook, it's denying other users' access to your data in protest. Deleting everything on your account does the same thing, plus you can leave an anti-facebook message on your account to spread the message. It's the equivalent of sticking a new message over a billboard instead of just burning the thing down - it's more clearly attributable to an act of protest and you can tell people why they should boycott facebook at the same time.
- isostatic 9y ago
  GDPR goes live in a couple of months. After that, a $1.6b fine waits facebook if all they do is "simply set a isDeleted=true flag in a database"
beaconstudios 9y ago
you seem to be suggesting that having a completely blank profile (plus a protest message) somehow has a different effect on facebook's ability to use your profile to their advantage - it doesn't. The only real difference is that if you blank off your profile you can try to spread the message - either way you've left facebook and won't provide them with any more data, interaction, etc. Change your password to something randomised if you're worried you might be tempted back. And saying "delete facebook means delete facebook" has literally no meaning at all. An act of protest has an aim, the point of deleting facebook isn't to delete facebook - it's to try to harm facebook. My suggestion does more harm.
beaconstudios 9y ago
> Is this satire or what? The point of deleting facebook is to delete facebook! That's it! There's nothing else! Circular logic is no logic at all. I'm trying to point at the purpose of the movement. People aren't deleting facebook just for the sake of it, there's a meaning and purpose behind the movement. But if we can't get past the idea that a movement has a purpose, there's nothing more to talk about.
beaconstudios 9y ago