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> Some countries are a lot closer to 1984 than others. Yes. Britain is far ahead of everyone at this moment. I'm sure china and the rest are desperate to catch

> Some countries are a lot closer to 1984 than others. Yes. Britain is far ahead of everyone at this moment. I'm sure china and the rest are desperate to catch up. > The EU and US As an american, I'd really appreciate it if you didn't lump us in with the EU. EU is a lot closer to china than you think in terms of political system, censorship and mentality. After all, the EU heavily censors parodies and "hate" speech and is at the forefront of internet censorship. I'm afraid america stands alone in many respects but we have our own challenges. We are most definitely not perfect.

slothtrop 9y ago
>Yes. Britain is far ahead of everyone at this moment. I'm sure china and the rest are desperate to catch up. I don't think you even believe that horseshit.
- zombieprocesses 9y ago
  Considering Britain is banning journalists like Lauren Southern and convicting people for making jokes on youtube ( count dankula ), I most certainly believe it. Not only that, Britain is the most surveilled society on earth. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6108496.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6108496.stm That's from 2006. Britain has at least a decade head start. But china is working very hard to catch up on their surveillance. But I guess it's evil when they do it, but it's "civilized" when britain does it?
swebs 9y ago
The laws may be similar, but the punishments are not. In the UK and other authoritarian EU countries, people are fined or jailed for certain speech. In China, people "disappear".
cat199 9y ago
but yet.. https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking
weavejester 9y ago
> Yes. Britain is far ahead of everyone at this moment. I'm sure china and the rest are desperate to catch up. What makes you say that? Last I checked, the UK was still a democracy, still had freedom of speech laws, and still doesn't ban VPNs, Tor, or other anonymity tools. > As an american, I'd really appreciate it if you didn't lump us in with the EU. EU is a lot closer to china than you think in terms of political system, censorship and mentality. And yet the US is ranked 43rd in the Press Freedom Index, behind all EU members except Romania, Italy and Poland. > After all, the EU heavily censors parodies and "hate" speech and is at the forefront of internet censorship. China is clearly at the forefront of Internet censorship. I don't see how that's even debatable.

slothtrop 9y ago

>Yes. Britain is far ahead of everyone at this moment. I'm sure china and the rest are desperate to catch up. I don't think you even believe that horseshit.

zombieprocesses 9y ago
Considering Britain is banning journalists like Lauren Southern and convicting people for making jokes on youtube ( count dankula ), I most certainly believe it. Not only that, Britain is the most surveilled society on earth. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6108496.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/6108496.stm That's from 2006. Britain has at least a decade head start. But china is working very hard to catch up on their surveillance. But I guess it's evil when they do it, but it's "civilized" when britain does it?

swebs 9y ago

The laws may be similar, but the punishments are not. In the UK and other authoritarian EU countries, people are fined or jailed for certain speech. In China, people "disappear".

cat199 9y ago

but yet.. https://rsf.org/en/ranking https://rsf.org/en/ranking

weavejester 9y ago

> Yes. Britain is far ahead of everyone at this moment. I'm sure china and the rest are desperate to catch up. What makes you say that? Last I checked, the UK was still a democracy, still had freedom of speech laws, and still doesn't ban VPNs, Tor, or other anonymity tools. > As an american, I'd really appreciate it if you didn't lump us in with the EU. EU is a lot closer to china than you think in terms of political system, censorship and mentality. And yet the US is ranked 43rd in the Press Freedom Index, behind all EU members except Romania, Italy and Poland. > After all, the EU heavily censors parodies and "hate" speech and is at the forefront of internet censorship. China is clearly at the forefront of Internet censorship. I don't see how that's even debatable.