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This is more or less the "argument" I bring to bear in gun control debates. There is no point arguing. My go-to "argument" is a form of the following: I don't

This is more or less the "argument" I bring to bear in gun control debates. There is no point arguing. My go-to "argument" is a form of the following: I don't argue what should be, only what will be. And this is what will be: If a functionary of the State comes to take my firearms, one of us will die. Period.

fredch 9y ago
Another gun person who thinks he's living in an action movie...
- logfromblammo 9y ago
  The massacre of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas, was real life. Black Lives Matter can produce many examples of citizens slaughtered where they stand, simply because someone imagined they might have been carrying a weapon. If it were an action movie, one could make a case that it would always be the gun-taking bureaucrat that would die, and in a cathartically satisfying way, but in real life, they come with overwhelming force, and kill the citizens without remorse. Then they investigate themselves and clear themselves of all wrongdoing. Perhaps you imagine you're living in a sitcom instead? Does your entire family always sit on just one side of the dining table? We remember the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943, because a lot of Holocaust survivors emigrated to the US and made sure to tell their stories to everyone who would listen. The lesson learned was to always fight back, and to start the instant anyone tries to undermine your ability to do so. In doing so, you will likely die, but the fear you put into your killers might just save someone else. That's the honeybee defense. The bee that stings will die, but there are more bees willing to sting and die than attackers willing to feel the pain, and thus the hive is preserved.
yongjik 9y ago
It's OK. The state can still come to collect your firearms after you die... of old age. Sometimes progress is made when old generation dies off. It's painfully slow, but hey, it's better than nothing.
- flyingfences 9y ago
  In what context can the word "progress" be used to describe the state cementing its absolute power by seizing private property?
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fredch 9y ago

Another gun person who thinks he's living in an action movie...

logfromblammo 9y ago
The massacre of the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas, was real life. Black Lives Matter can produce many examples of citizens slaughtered where they stand, simply because someone imagined they might have been carrying a weapon. If it were an action movie, one could make a case that it would always be the gun-taking bureaucrat that would die, and in a cathartically satisfying way, but in real life, they come with overwhelming force, and kill the citizens without remorse. Then they investigate themselves and clear themselves of all wrongdoing. Perhaps you imagine you're living in a sitcom instead? Does your entire family always sit on just one side of the dining table? We remember the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising of 1943, because a lot of Holocaust survivors emigrated to the US and made sure to tell their stories to everyone who would listen. The lesson learned was to always fight back, and to start the instant anyone tries to undermine your ability to do so. In doing so, you will likely die, but the fear you put into your killers might just save someone else. That's the honeybee defense. The bee that stings will die, but there are more bees willing to sting and die than attackers willing to feel the pain, and thus the hive is preserved.

yongjik 9y ago

It's OK. The state can still come to collect your firearms after you die... of old age. Sometimes progress is made when old generation dies off. It's painfully slow, but hey, it's better than nothing.

flyingfences 9y ago
In what context can the word "progress" be used to describe the state cementing its absolute power by seizing private property?
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