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> I am fucking sick and fucking tired of people interfering with the free choice of individuals in any effort to "fix" society and "help" people. What is shock

> I am fucking sick and fucking tired of people interfering with the free choice of individuals in any effort to "fix" society and "help" people. What is shocking is that it is the liberals who are now pushing for more censorship, more control and less individual freedom. Growing up, it was usually the conservatives/religious who wanted rap, violent video games, blasphemy, etc banned and censored. And their argument was to "protect children, women and society". Now, the push for censorship and control is being spearheaded by the liberals. And just like with the conservatives, it is to "protect children, women and society". What a sorry state of affairs we are in right now. So disappointing.

dragonwriter 9y ago
> Growing up, it was usually the conservatives/religious who wanted rap, violent video games, blasphemy, etc banned and censored. You weren't paying attention—except for blasphemy, those things were from across the spectrum: the most prominent figure for censorship of music (including rap) was Tipper Gore, who was only “conservative” in the sense that the dominant faction of the Democratic Party is center-right. Similarly, the Clinton Administration was active in promoting online censorship in law. > Now, the push for censorship and control is being spearheaded by the liberals. It wasn't a liberal Congress that just passed the bill that has is discussing censorship, so I think again you are falsely attributing something they exists across the political spectrum tomone side, just making the error in the opposite direction.
- zombieprocesses 9y ago
  > You weren't paying attention—except for blasphemy, those things were from across the spectrum: I didn't say it was only the conservatives/religious. I said it was usually them. Sure, tipper gore was against rap, but it was also the liberals who defended rap music. > It wasn't a liberal Congress that just passed the bill that has is discussing censorship, so I think again you are falsely attributing something they exists across the political spectrum tomone side, just making the error in the opposite direction. Once again. I didn't say only liberals are censoring now. I said the liberals are the ones spearheading the push for censorship. The conservatives/religious have always been for censorship. Now the liberals have joined them. Even more, they are the ones spearheading censorship in much of the internet, etc. I'm sure the conservatives/religious are more than happy to follow along. Just because I said liberals are bad doesn't mean that I think conservatives are good. Liberals seem to always think that because they live in a black and white world. Liberals and conservatives can both be bad.

dragonwriter 9y ago

> Growing up, it was usually the conservatives/religious who wanted rap, violent video games, blasphemy, etc banned and censored. You weren't paying attention—except for blasphemy, those things were from across the spectrum: the most prominent figure for censorship of music (including rap) was Tipper Gore, who was only “conservative” in the sense that the dominant faction of the Democratic Party is center-right. Similarly, the Clinton Administration was active in promoting online censorship in law. > Now, the push for censorship and control is being spearheaded by the liberals. It wasn't a liberal Congress that just passed the bill that has is discussing censorship, so I think again you are falsely attributing something they exists across the political spectrum tomone side, just making the error in the opposite direction.

zombieprocesses 9y ago
> You weren't paying attention—except for blasphemy, those things were from across the spectrum: I didn't say it was only the conservatives/religious. I said it was usually them. Sure, tipper gore was against rap, but it was also the liberals who defended rap music. > It wasn't a liberal Congress that just passed the bill that has is discussing censorship, so I think again you are falsely attributing something they exists across the political spectrum tomone side, just making the error in the opposite direction. Once again. I didn't say only liberals are censoring now. I said the liberals are the ones spearheading the push for censorship. The conservatives/religious have always been for censorship. Now the liberals have joined them. Even more, they are the ones spearheading censorship in much of the internet, etc. I'm sure the conservatives/religious are more than happy to follow along. Just because I said liberals are bad doesn't mean that I think conservatives are good. Liberals seem to always think that because they live in a black and white world. Liberals and conservatives can both be bad.