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"To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data center

by hnarn 9y ago

"To protect the data that is not covered by end-to-end encryption, Telegram uses a distributed infrastructure. Cloud chat data is stored in multiple data centers around the globe that are controlled by different legal entities spread across different jurisdictions. The relevant decryption keys are split into parts and are never kept in the same place as the data they protect. As a result, several court orders from different jurisdictions are required to force us to give up any data. Thanks to this structure, we can ensure that no single government or block of like-minded countries can intrude on people's privacy and freedom of expression. Telegram can be forced to give up data only if an issue is grave and universal enough to pass the scrutiny of several different legal systems around the world. To this day, we have disclosed 0 bytes of user data to third parties, including governments." https://telegram.org/faq https://telegram.org/faq

akvadrako 9y ago
If telegram continues to have a legal presence in Russia and/or not be blocked, they will have to do what the Russian authorities say.
- rkoten 9y ago
  Looks like they are willing to let Russian authorities block the app. https://twitter.com/durov/status/976083990938517509 https://twitter.com/durov/status/976083990938517509
0ld 9y ago
1. Sure they say that. Doesn't mean it's true. 2. No keys splitting will protect you if fsb has hold on the company (and they most likely have) It's a pity 200M people do not understand that Edit: formatting
- ryanlol 9y ago
  Crazy that this gets downvoted. Telegram is ran by Russian oligarchs that built the local equivalent of facebook. Telegram was developed in the st. Petersburg offices of the local facebook equivalent. Telegram developers have deliberately made encrypted conversations impossible to use, despite selling their app on it’s “encryption”. Telegram developers also choose to use pretty questionable crypto, why? Why are people so inclined to trust Telegram?
  - ReverseCold 9y ago
    It's fast, free, has native apps on every platform, has good APIs and fun stuff (stickers, etc). I don't understand why chat apps are so hard for large companies. How to make a good chat app: Just copy Telegram, but end to end encrypt everything by default.
    - jamesb93 9y ago
      I wish that someone would just do this. Signal could have been great but the usability is crap in comparison to Telegram
  - erikj 9y ago
    This is incorrect. The oligarchs took vk.com away from Pavel Durov (the founder of vk.com and later Telegram) by force with some help from FSB, then banished him from Russia. Both Pavel Durov and Telegram are now out of the reach of these oligarchs, and Durov has no desire to aid people who robbed and exiled him.
    - ryanlol 9y ago
      Do you work for the Durovs? It sounds like you might :) https://twitter.com/bershidsky/status/910169626989953024 https://twitter.com/bershidsky/status/910169626989953024 https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/910186197598838784 https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/910186197598838784 https://theoutline.com/post/2348/what-isn-t-telegram-saying-about-its-connections-to-the-kremlin https://theoutline.com/post/2348/what-isn-t-telegram-saying-... Oddly enough, your exilee friend Pavel has been a regular sight in St. Petersburg despite supposedly eluding the reach of the Russian authorities https://tjournal.ru/52954-durov-back-in-ussr https://tjournal.ru/52954-durov-back-in-ussr He even assaulted someone in 2017 because they were trying to take a photo of him in St Petersburg https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/ https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/ >Durov has no desire to aid people who robbed and exiled him. It seems strange to think that he'd have a choice. And anyway, Telegram is designed in a manner which allows its operators to easily read ~99% of the conversations between users. The same is not at all true of Signal or Whatsapp. Do you think that's a coincidence?
jedikv 9y ago
I can never trust their DIY crypto https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/49782/is-telegram-secure https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/49782/is-telegr...

by hnarn 9y ago

akvadrako 9y ago

If telegram continues to have a legal presence in Russia and/or not be blocked, they will have to do what the Russian authorities say.

rkoten 9y ago
Looks like they are willing to let Russian authorities block the app. https://twitter.com/durov/status/976083990938517509 https://twitter.com/durov/status/976083990938517509

0ld 9y ago

1. Sure they say that. Doesn't mean it's true. 2. No keys splitting will protect you if fsb has hold on the company (and they most likely have) It's a pity 200M people do not understand that Edit: formatting

ryanlol 9y ago
Crazy that this gets downvoted. Telegram is ran by Russian oligarchs that built the local equivalent of facebook. Telegram was developed in the st. Petersburg offices of the local facebook equivalent. Telegram developers have deliberately made encrypted conversations impossible to use, despite selling their app on it’s “encryption”. Telegram developers also choose to use pretty questionable crypto, why? Why are people so inclined to trust Telegram?
- ReverseCold 9y ago
  It's fast, free, has native apps on every platform, has good APIs and fun stuff (stickers, etc). I don't understand why chat apps are so hard for large companies. How to make a good chat app: Just copy Telegram, but end to end encrypt everything by default.
  - jamesb93 9y ago
    I wish that someone would just do this. Signal could have been great but the usability is crap in comparison to Telegram
- erikj 9y ago
  This is incorrect. The oligarchs took vk.com away from Pavel Durov (the founder of vk.com and later Telegram) by force with some help from FSB, then banished him from Russia. Both Pavel Durov and Telegram are now out of the reach of these oligarchs, and Durov has no desire to aid people who robbed and exiled him.
  - ryanlol 9y ago
    Do you work for the Durovs? It sounds like you might :) https://twitter.com/bershidsky/status/910169626989953024 https://twitter.com/bershidsky/status/910169626989953024 https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/910186197598838784 https://twitter.com/ChristopherJM/status/910186197598838784 https://theoutline.com/post/2348/what-isn-t-telegram-saying-about-its-connections-to-the-kremlin https://theoutline.com/post/2348/what-isn-t-telegram-saying-... Oddly enough, your exilee friend Pavel has been a regular sight in St. Petersburg despite supposedly eluding the reach of the Russian authorities https://tjournal.ru/52954-durov-back-in-ussr https://tjournal.ru/52954-durov-back-in-ussr He even assaulted someone in 2017 because they were trying to take a photo of him in St Petersburg https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/ https://lenta.ru/news/2017/03/20/durov/ >Durov has no desire to aid people who robbed and exiled him. It seems strange to think that he'd have a choice. And anyway, Telegram is designed in a manner which allows its operators to easily read ~99% of the conversations between users. The same is not at all true of Signal or Whatsapp. Do you think that's a coincidence?

jedikv 9y ago

I can never trust their DIY crypto https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/49782/is-telegram-secure https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/49782/is-telegr...