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Sweden has more rapes per capita than any country outside of sub-saharan Africa. Whatever system they have they can keep.

intended 9y ago
I recall this is Because their definition is far broader - if it was applied to other countries the number of rapes would increase
- IanCal 9y ago
  I think it's to do with the collection of statistics as well. They record the rape at the initial reporting to the police, no matter what any later investigation shows, and multiple rapes are counted individually (many countries do not). This is not saying which approach is correct for recording the numbers, but that you cant simply compare the numbers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372
draugadrotten 9y ago
It seems some of the men living in Sweden are among the planets worst sexual predators, to word it carefully. Sweden is pushing new legislation that will increase the number of rapes even more. It will be a law of consent and will shift the burden of proof from the victim to the rapist. Unless the rapist can prove consent, he will be sentenced for rape by negligence. Under the new law, having sex with a traffic victim prostitute can be considered "rape", and the burden of proof will be on the john to prove that it is not a traffic victim. (1,2,3) I live next door, in Norway. Here we talk of the "Swedish condition". (1) http://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2017/12/en-ny-sexualbrottslagstiftning-byggd-pa-frivillighet/ http://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2017/12/en-ny-sexu... (2) http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/h%C3%A4r-%C3%A4r-f%C3%B6rslaget-till-samtyckeslag-1.4938473 http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/h%C3%A4r-%C3%A4r-f%C3%B6rsl... (3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
- Blackstone4 9y ago
  How will this work? If neither party can prove consent, they both rapped each other by negligence? Or does this only apply to Johns?
  - briandear 9y ago
    Don’t you mean Jans? ;)
  - zeth___ 9y ago
    Blame the man, it's the only way to reach gender equality.
- zeth___ 9y ago
  I'm curious, is there any Norwegian commentary on Sweden in English?
  - Arnt 9y ago
    Approximately: No.
  - littlepinkpill 9y ago
    Google translate is far from perfect but (except for media clips obviously) it's extremely helpful for getting the gist.
throwawaymanbot 9y ago
Sweden also has a different type of reporting system to other countries. as well as that, Swedish women feel empowered to report rape to the cops due this better reporting system. Thus, other countries stats dont reflect true rape levels, as a lot of women don't want to go through the ordeal with the police for many different reasons, unlike Sweden. But I think you are trying to hint at something else eh zeth? Imagine having the courage to just say it like a big boy...
halflings 9y ago
This is a well known trope (especially in less palatable corners of the internet). A quick read of the "Rape in Sweden" [0] wikipedia page explains why these numbers are very high. Each separate relation is counted as a different rape, the definition of rape is broader, and the reporting rate is higher. For people that lived in Sweden, this claim (that Sweden has some incredible rape problem) is surprising to say the least. (with that being said, there has been an increase in sexual violence lately, probably correlated with immigration from regions where the rate is higher, but from what I could gather it was not a dramatic increase) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

intended 9y ago

I recall this is Because their definition is far broader - if it was applied to other countries the number of rapes would increase

IanCal 9y ago
I think it's to do with the collection of statistics as well. They record the rape at the initial reporting to the police, no matter what any later investigation shows, and multiple rapes are counted individually (many countries do not). This is not saying which approach is correct for recording the numbers, but that you cant simply compare the numbers. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372

draugadrotten 9y ago

It seems some of the men living in Sweden are among the planets worst sexual predators, to word it carefully. Sweden is pushing new legislation that will increase the number of rapes even more. It will be a law of consent and will shift the burden of proof from the victim to the rapist. Unless the rapist can prove consent, he will be sentenced for rape by negligence. Under the new law, having sex with a traffic victim prostitute can be considered "rape", and the burden of proof will be on the john to prove that it is not a traffic victim. (1,2,3) I live next door, in Norway. Here we talk of the "Swedish condition". (1) http://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2017/12/en-ny-sexualbrottslagstiftning-byggd-pa-frivillighet/ http://www.regeringen.se/pressmeddelanden/2017/12/en-ny-sexu... (2) http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/h%C3%A4r-%C3%A4r-f%C3%B6rslaget-till-samtyckeslag-1.4938473 http://www.gp.se/nyheter/sverige/h%C3%A4r-%C3%A4r-f%C3%B6rsl... (3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden

Blackstone4 9y ago
How will this work? If neither party can prove consent, they both rapped each other by negligence? Or does this only apply to Johns?
- briandear 9y ago
  Don’t you mean Jans? ;)
- zeth___ 9y ago
  Blame the man, it's the only way to reach gender equality.
zeth___ 9y ago
I'm curious, is there any Norwegian commentary on Sweden in English?
- Arnt 9y ago
  Approximately: No.
- littlepinkpill 9y ago
  Google translate is far from perfect but (except for media clips obviously) it's extremely helpful for getting the gist.

throwawaymanbot 9y ago

Sweden also has a different type of reporting system to other countries. as well as that, Swedish women feel empowered to report rape to the cops due this better reporting system. Thus, other countries stats dont reflect true rape levels, as a lot of women don't want to go through the ordeal with the police for many different reasons, unlike Sweden. But I think you are trying to hint at something else eh zeth? Imagine having the courage to just say it like a big boy...

halflings 9y ago

This is a well known trope (especially in less palatable corners of the internet). A quick read of the "Rape in Sweden" [0] wikipedia page explains why these numbers are very high. Each separate relation is counted as a different rape, the definition of rape is broader, and the reporting rate is higher. For people that lived in Sweden, this claim (that Sweden has some incredible rape problem) is surprising to say the least. (with that being said, there has been an increase in sexual violence lately, probably correlated with immigration from regions where the rate is higher, but from what I could gather it was not a dramatic increase) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden