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How is this affected by Telegram losing the keys to the Russian government?

Yetanfou 9y ago
It remains to be seen whether they'll hand over those keys, as of yet this is not the case as far as known. The consequence of not handing over the keys would be for Telegram to be banned in Russia so I assume the opposite to be true as well: if Telegram is not banned in Russia in about a week from now they will have complied with the FSB's directives. If that happens I'll be looking for an alternative, preferably something self-hosted. A self-hosted Telegram server would be the best solution here as it would make it possible to keep the best parts of Telegram - the client applications - and replace the somewhat dodgy bits - the centralised server. Add federation between servers and the end result would be more or less the same, the difference being that it would be possible to keep your data private. So Pavel, if you're reading this, how 'bout it? Add an option for a private server for those who'd like to use Telegram in places where the powers that be are pulling tricks like in Russia. In that context it would be interesting to know how Telegram can survive in Iran, does the government there have access to anything they shouldn't?
- sschueller 9y ago
  They always said, one day they will open source the servers. I hope that day comes soon.
- lloeki 9y ago
  > if Telegram is not banned in Russia in about a week from now they will have complied with the FSB's directives. Sort of a canary by proxy. Maybe they could get (per-country, ideally) warrant canary pages on their web server.
- konart 9y ago
  >if Telegram is not banned in Russia in about a week from now they will have complied with the FSB's directives. Russian here. FSB is bluffing yet again, just like they were bluffing with youtube block. Too many people use it, too many politicans use it and even troll army based in Olgino use it. They won't ban it.
codedokode 9y ago
First, they didn't give the keys and are preparing to be blocked in Russia, second, the law doesn't mean anything. Once you gave Durov your contact list and messages, he can do whatever he wants without any laws. Governments and corporations always have a lot to offer in exchange for the data.

It remains to be seen whether they'll hand over those keys, as of yet this is not the case as far as known. The consequence of not handing over the keys would be for Telegram to be banned in Russia so I assume the opposite to be true as well: if Telegram is not banned in Russia in about a week from now they will have complied with the FSB's directives. If that happens I'll be looking for an alternative, preferably something self-hosted. A self-hosted Telegram server would be the best solution here as it would make it possible to keep the best parts of Telegram - the client applications - and replace the somewhat dodgy bits - the centralised server. Add federation between servers and the end result would be more or less the same, the difference being that it would be possible to keep your data private. So Pavel, if you're reading this, how 'bout it? Add an option for a private server for those who'd like to use Telegram in places where the powers that be are pulling tricks like in Russia. In that context it would be interesting to know how Telegram can survive in Iran, does the government there have access to anything they shouldn't?

sschueller 9y ago
They always said, one day they will open source the servers. I hope that day comes soon.
lloeki 9y ago
> if Telegram is not banned in Russia in about a week from now they will have complied with the FSB's directives. Sort of a canary by proxy. Maybe they could get (per-country, ideally) warrant canary pages on their web server.
konart 9y ago
>if Telegram is not banned in Russia in about a week from now they will have complied with the FSB's directives. Russian here. FSB is bluffing yet again, just like they were bluffing with youtube block. Too many people use it, too many politicans use it and even troll army based in Olgino use it. They won't ban it.

codedokode 9y ago

First, they didn't give the keys and are preparing to be blocked in Russia, second, the law doesn't mean anything. Once you gave Durov your contact list and messages, he can do whatever he wants without any laws. Governments and corporations always have a lot to offer in exchange for the data.