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Thirteen indictments of foreign agents is a shitshow?

by tiles 9y ago

sattoshi 9y ago
Seems like a political show, yes.
- enraged_camel 9y ago
  Why? edit: lol, even asking a simple question is worth downvotes apparently. Oh well, I got karma to burn. Bring it on.
- ineedasername 9y ago
  Political? Meuller is a Republican, appointed by a Republican. Our country was attacked, maybe you should start acting like that's not just some "political" narrative, because it's still happening
  - red_monk 9y ago
    some trolling on facebook == attack? yea, I think the radical lseft is scoring the biggest attacks on western culture everyday but the news media doesn't cover it whatsoever.
  - zaroth 9y ago
    If you think it's not absolutely a political narrative (and a shitshow) I really don't know what to say. I'm not sure what you mean by "it's still happening" but if you're talking about abusing social networks to spread discord, I mean, we're watching the implosion of Facebook in real-time, I'd say that the wheels are pretty certainly fucking turning. Where we end up, and if it's better than where we started, well... The only thing I know is this -- no one is right, no one is good, no one is clean, and there's enough corruption on all sides of this to make anyone sick. You can pick whichever specific aspects of it support one side or another, but I personally think the things we do have hard evidence of point to; 1) An incredibly fucked up situation at the top of the FBI and Justice Department 2) A media which has largely lost the ability to separate reporting from editorial 3) A little trolling by Russian during the election to stir the pot 4) A very close election which was won by the "wrong" person, and a large percentage of Americans who are desperate to unseat him by any means possible
    - auntienomen 9y ago
      5) the GRU sharing the Democrats' campaign strategies with the Republicans...
    - chillwaves 9y ago
      Can you explain why Trump keeps insisting on having private meetings with the Russians and Putin himself, often unreported in the Western press only to have that story broken by the Russian media? And why he insists on breaking all protocols to do this, such as meeting without his own translator? For so many reasons this is a terrible idea. Why would Trump meet with the Russian ambassador and tell him Comey is taken care of? And do this secretly? Why would Trump have an insult for every US ally and not a single bad word about Russia? I challenge you right now to find me a single bad word Trump has said about Russia.
      - atypicaluser 9y ago
        "Irresponsible." March 5-6, 2018. Trump's comment to Theresa May over Putin's boast regarding nuclear weapons. Anywho... I'm tryin' hard not to roll my eyes as I write this, but here goes - Like everything Trump does, his discussions with Russia are all about Trump. He's probably not just looking at the here and now, but also at his post-Presidency. He is a businessman after all. (Hell, Trump tried landing property deals in Russia BEFORE he'd ever considered running, sooo...) I'm unsure that Trump told any Russian that 'Comey is taken care of,' but then, I'm skeptical of many things and, in this case, I consider this rabbit hole a waste of time. For future reference, you'll need more than you've proffered here to convince me (and others) Trump deserves the outrage others have spilled onto this thread considering - * Had the election gone for Clinton, no one would be tearing after her for all the good turns she did Russia in the Uranium One deal (and this is all-on-the-record-and-verifiable stuff,) and * Russia ain't the only country trying to influence American elections. China? Israel? Saudi Arabia? The UK? Please name me a major country that ISN'T trying to influence American politics. You really think Russia had more influence this past election than an Australian owning Fox or a Mexican owning the New York Times? That Russian hackery was more influential than non-citizens voting in California? Piffle. Considering the context, there is no there there, dude/tte.
  - bduerst 9y ago
    Yep, if anyone is doubting you, they should know that the Russians are already at work on influencing this year's (2018) midterm elections: http://time.com/5155810/russian-meddling-2018-elections/ http://time.com/5155810/russian-meddling-2018-elections/ https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/politics/russia-sees-midterm-elections-as-chance-to-sow-fresh-discord-intelligence-chiefs-warn.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/politics/russia-sees-m... https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/intelligence-chiefs-russia-2018-elections-target/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/intelligence-chiefs-...
    - mistermann 9y ago
      From those articles, what is the strongest piece of evidence that should convince a skeptical reader?
    - SlowRobotAhead 9y ago
      Time, NYT, CNN... hmm.
      - rhcom2 9y ago
        They are reporting on testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee.
      - chillwaves 9y ago
        I only get my news from emails my uncle forwards to me. I'm with you. Oh yeah, and from Facebook. You know, reliable sources unlike the failing NYT and WaPo.
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- knodi 9y ago
  Please go back to watching FoxNews.
- roywiggins 9y ago
  In a certain sense everything is political. Every indictment makes a political statement about what sorts of crimes the government cares about and what sort of people will find themselves on the receiving end. What makes these indictments more political than every other time the FBI prosecuted alleged spies?
jayd16 9y ago
Don't forget the constant obstruction, the refusal to enact any policy that isn't good for Russia, and literally meeting with the Russians in Trump tower, lying about it, and then tweeting confirmation of it. At this point, if you don't want to see to the myriad of evidence that the Trump campaign was either working with or willfully used by Russia its just because you don't want to see it.

Thirteen indictments of foreign agents is a shitshow?

by tiles 9y ago

Thirteen indictments of foreign agents is a shitshow?

sattoshi 9y ago

Seems like a political show, yes.

enraged_camel 9y ago
Why? edit: lol, even asking a simple question is worth downvotes apparently. Oh well, I got karma to burn. Bring it on.
ineedasername 9y ago
Political? Meuller is a Republican, appointed by a Republican. Our country was attacked, maybe you should start acting like that's not just some "political" narrative, because it's still happening
- red_monk 9y ago
  some trolling on facebook == attack? yea, I think the radical lseft is scoring the biggest attacks on western culture everyday but the news media doesn't cover it whatsoever.
- zaroth 9y ago
  If you think it's not absolutely a political narrative (and a shitshow) I really don't know what to say. I'm not sure what you mean by "it's still happening" but if you're talking about abusing social networks to spread discord, I mean, we're watching the implosion of Facebook in real-time, I'd say that the wheels are pretty certainly fucking turning. Where we end up, and if it's better than where we started, well... The only thing I know is this -- no one is right, no one is good, no one is clean, and there's enough corruption on all sides of this to make anyone sick. You can pick whichever specific aspects of it support one side or another, but I personally think the things we do have hard evidence of point to; 1) An incredibly fucked up situation at the top of the FBI and Justice Department 2) A media which has largely lost the ability to separate reporting from editorial 3) A little trolling by Russian during the election to stir the pot 4) A very close election which was won by the "wrong" person, and a large percentage of Americans who are desperate to unseat him by any means possible
  - auntienomen 9y ago
    5) the GRU sharing the Democrats' campaign strategies with the Republicans...
  - chillwaves 9y ago
    Can you explain why Trump keeps insisting on having private meetings with the Russians and Putin himself, often unreported in the Western press only to have that story broken by the Russian media? And why he insists on breaking all protocols to do this, such as meeting without his own translator? For so many reasons this is a terrible idea. Why would Trump meet with the Russian ambassador and tell him Comey is taken care of? And do this secretly? Why would Trump have an insult for every US ally and not a single bad word about Russia? I challenge you right now to find me a single bad word Trump has said about Russia.
    - atypicaluser 9y ago
      "Irresponsible." March 5-6, 2018. Trump's comment to Theresa May over Putin's boast regarding nuclear weapons. Anywho... I'm tryin' hard not to roll my eyes as I write this, but here goes - Like everything Trump does, his discussions with Russia are all about Trump. He's probably not just looking at the here and now, but also at his post-Presidency. He is a businessman after all. (Hell, Trump tried landing property deals in Russia BEFORE he'd ever considered running, sooo...) I'm unsure that Trump told any Russian that 'Comey is taken care of,' but then, I'm skeptical of many things and, in this case, I consider this rabbit hole a waste of time. For future reference, you'll need more than you've proffered here to convince me (and others) Trump deserves the outrage others have spilled onto this thread considering - * Had the election gone for Clinton, no one would be tearing after her for all the good turns she did Russia in the Uranium One deal (and this is all-on-the-record-and-verifiable stuff,) and * Russia ain't the only country trying to influence American elections. China? Israel? Saudi Arabia? The UK? Please name me a major country that ISN'T trying to influence American politics. You really think Russia had more influence this past election than an Australian owning Fox or a Mexican owning the New York Times? That Russian hackery was more influential than non-citizens voting in California? Piffle. Considering the context, there is no there there, dude/tte.
- bduerst 9y ago
  Yep, if anyone is doubting you, they should know that the Russians are already at work on influencing this year's (2018) midterm elections: http://time.com/5155810/russian-meddling-2018-elections/ http://time.com/5155810/russian-meddling-2018-elections/ https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/politics/russia-sees-midterm-elections-as-chance-to-sow-fresh-discord-intelligence-chiefs-warn.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/us/politics/russia-sees-m... https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/intelligence-chiefs-russia-2018-elections-target/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/13/politics/intelligence-chiefs-...
  - mistermann 9y ago
    From those articles, what is the strongest piece of evidence that should convince a skeptical reader?
  - SlowRobotAhead 9y ago
    Time, NYT, CNN... hmm.
    - rhcom2 9y ago
      They are reporting on testimony before the Senate Intelligence Committee.
    - chillwaves 9y ago
      I only get my news from emails my uncle forwards to me. I'm with you. Oh yeah, and from Facebook. You know, reliable sources unlike the failing NYT and WaPo.
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knodi 9y ago
Please go back to watching FoxNews.
roywiggins 9y ago
In a certain sense everything is political. Every indictment makes a political statement about what sorts of crimes the government cares about and what sort of people will find themselves on the receiving end. What makes these indictments more political than every other time the FBI prosecuted alleged spies?

jayd16 9y ago

Don't forget the constant obstruction, the refusal to enact any policy that isn't good for Russia, and literally meeting with the Russians in Trump tower, lying about it, and then tweeting confirmation of it. At this point, if you don't want to see to the myriad of evidence that the Trump campaign was either working with or willfully used by Russia its just because you don't want to see it.