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When Federal law enforcement takes down criminal enterprises they don't reveal the evidence they have until they're ready to take down the head(s) of the organi

When Federal law enforcement takes down criminal enterprises they don't reveal the evidence they have until they're ready to take down the head(s) of the organization. The proof will come then. Right now they're just rolling up the smaller players so they can build a case against the bigger fish. All those plea deals being cut are not because Mueller has a weak hand.

dahdum 9y ago
Have any of those charges included allegations of Russian collusion by Americans? All I remember is financial crimes and false statement charges (that were mostly benign or accidental when I looked). Has he made any statement or indication he’s close to something significant yet? Any special counsel looking for crimes in DC is going to find plenty, but I don’t see where Trump is implicated in any of these. The leaks from the FBI have been so voluminous and the Democrat incentive to leak them I doubt they are keeping secret evidence under wraps at this point.
- ModernMech 9y ago
  > Have any of those charges included allegations of Russian collusion by Americans? Nope, but I wouldn't expect that because "collusion" isn't a crime on the books. > Any special counsel looking for crimes in DC is going to find plenty Ken Starr spent a lot of time looking for real estate investment crimes and only turned up with an extramarital affair. > The leaks from the FBI have been so voluminous and the Democrat incentive to leak them I doubt they are keeping secret evidence under wraps at this point. There have been zero leaks from the SP, which is distinct from the FBI. No one, not Congress, not the President, not the FBI knows what he has.
  - dahdum 9y ago
    The scope Mueller has is far broader than Ken Starr ever had, he seems to be looking for any crimes by anyone connected to Russia or Trump. Thus the tax evasion and very rare false statement charges. Mueller isn’t leaking, but those around him certainly are given how much info is coming out about his intentions, indictments, and activities. My guess is he’ll try to keep digging until he can find something, however minor or unrelated, on Trump. He’ll be looked at as a failure by so many if he doesn’t, so I get the pressure he’s under. Now if I’m wrong, and he has secret evidence that comes to light and ends Trump, I’ll be his biggest fan. Pence is a bit scary, but like 0% chance of Republicans winning in 2020 if that happens. Seems pretty unlikely at this point though.
    - chillwaves 9y ago
      I honestly cannot believe people like you can follow these events and end up with these conclusions. Mueller is not playing. Have you seen the man's bio? You think this is a game? Like he is one to bend to political pressure? From who and to what end? Every indication points to this investigation gaining more steam as it moves along. There is no indication of any slow down. Mueller is wasting a lot of people's time for what? What could possibly be his motivation outside of some "deep state" conspiracy that is being peddled?
    - ModernMech 9y ago
      > The scope Mueller has is far broader than Ken Starr ever had, A SC investigation follows evidence, and uncovers wrongdoing in the process. Sure, Mueller has a broad scope, but I doubt the events that lead to a stained dress was anywhere near the original purview of Ken Starr. > Mueller isn’t leaking, but those around him certainly are given how much info is coming out about his intentions, indictments, and activities. Anyone who has anything to say about Mueller's intentions, indictments, and activities is offering their own opinion. Anyone who has spoken with Mueller is free to give their account of the meeting, but that's not exactly a "leak". Mueller's team is air tight. How many knew that Papadopalous was cooperating with the SC months before his indictment dropped (which was also a surprise). How many knew Flynn would be indicted? Sure we knew he was on the radar, but that was a surprise as well. How many forecast the indictment of 13 Russian nationals? > My guess is he’ll try to keep digging until he can find something, however minor or unrelated, on Trump. My guess? We'll see Trump personally up for obstruction of justice, money laundering, and conspiracy against the United States.
- dragonwriter 9y ago
  > Have any of those charges included allegations of Russian collusion by Americans? Yes, the very first charge made public, the charge against, and guilty plea and statement of the offense by George Papadopolous are specifically about lying to investigators about his collusion and attempted collusion with Russians connected with, and whom he believed to be connected with, the Russian government, on behalf of the Trump campaign and with ongoing coordination with higher campaign officials.

dahdum 9y ago

Have any of those charges included allegations of Russian collusion by Americans? All I remember is financial crimes and false statement charges (that were mostly benign or accidental when I looked). Has he made any statement or indication he’s close to something significant yet? Any special counsel looking for crimes in DC is going to find plenty, but I don’t see where Trump is implicated in any of these. The leaks from the FBI have been so voluminous and the Democrat incentive to leak them I doubt they are keeping secret evidence under wraps at this point.

ModernMech 9y ago
> Have any of those charges included allegations of Russian collusion by Americans? Nope, but I wouldn't expect that because "collusion" isn't a crime on the books. > Any special counsel looking for crimes in DC is going to find plenty Ken Starr spent a lot of time looking for real estate investment crimes and only turned up with an extramarital affair. > The leaks from the FBI have been so voluminous and the Democrat incentive to leak them I doubt they are keeping secret evidence under wraps at this point. There have been zero leaks from the SP, which is distinct from the FBI. No one, not Congress, not the President, not the FBI knows what he has.
- dahdum 9y ago
  The scope Mueller has is far broader than Ken Starr ever had, he seems to be looking for any crimes by anyone connected to Russia or Trump. Thus the tax evasion and very rare false statement charges. Mueller isn’t leaking, but those around him certainly are given how much info is coming out about his intentions, indictments, and activities. My guess is he’ll try to keep digging until he can find something, however minor or unrelated, on Trump. He’ll be looked at as a failure by so many if he doesn’t, so I get the pressure he’s under. Now if I’m wrong, and he has secret evidence that comes to light and ends Trump, I’ll be his biggest fan. Pence is a bit scary, but like 0% chance of Republicans winning in 2020 if that happens. Seems pretty unlikely at this point though.
  - chillwaves 9y ago
    I honestly cannot believe people like you can follow these events and end up with these conclusions. Mueller is not playing. Have you seen the man's bio? You think this is a game? Like he is one to bend to political pressure? From who and to what end? Every indication points to this investigation gaining more steam as it moves along. There is no indication of any slow down. Mueller is wasting a lot of people's time for what? What could possibly be his motivation outside of some "deep state" conspiracy that is being peddled?
  - ModernMech 9y ago
    > The scope Mueller has is far broader than Ken Starr ever had, A SC investigation follows evidence, and uncovers wrongdoing in the process. Sure, Mueller has a broad scope, but I doubt the events that lead to a stained dress was anywhere near the original purview of Ken Starr. > Mueller isn’t leaking, but those around him certainly are given how much info is coming out about his intentions, indictments, and activities. Anyone who has anything to say about Mueller's intentions, indictments, and activities is offering their own opinion. Anyone who has spoken with Mueller is free to give their account of the meeting, but that's not exactly a "leak". Mueller's team is air tight. How many knew that Papadopalous was cooperating with the SC months before his indictment dropped (which was also a surprise). How many knew Flynn would be indicted? Sure we knew he was on the radar, but that was a surprise as well. How many forecast the indictment of 13 Russian nationals? > My guess is he’ll try to keep digging until he can find something, however minor or unrelated, on Trump. My guess? We'll see Trump personally up for obstruction of justice, money laundering, and conspiracy against the United States.
dragonwriter 9y ago
> Have any of those charges included allegations of Russian collusion by Americans? Yes, the very first charge made public, the charge against, and guilty plea and statement of the offense by George Papadopolous are specifically about lying to investigators about his collusion and attempted collusion with Russians connected with, and whom he believed to be connected with, the Russian government, on behalf of the Trump campaign and with ongoing coordination with higher campaign officials.