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Us guys? I was not and am not a Trump supporter, but to believe collusion requires actual proof.

• kevindqc 9y ago
  What do you think is more likely judging by the WH and Trump's behaviour, though? Sure we don't have proof right now as it would be Top Secret if it exists, but I'm sure we will find out in due time. I will reserve my final judgement until the special counsel investigation is completed, but it certainly seems to point towards collusion to me, or Trump has something just as big to hide (RICO).
  • dahdum 9y ago
    I honestly think it’s unlikely any collusion happened, but if proof comes out impeachment is the answer. This investigation reminds me of Whitewater, Travelgate and other political theatre Bill dealt with. The Stormy story is a watered down Lewinsky. With that ballot we were going to get 4-8 years of this garbage news pandering either way. Obama was an outlier, far cleaner than average.
  • mistermann 9y ago
    > I will reserve my final judgement The problem is, the camp of people willing to reserve judgement until we have verifiable evidence is a very exclusive club.
    • chillwaves 9y ago
      Outside of collusion, Trump's public deference to Putin is inexcusable and highly suspect.
      • mistermann 9y ago
        deference - humble submission and respect Respect - is this improper? Submission - really? Or am I misinterpreting you? Is there something verifiable that I'm overlooking? Why the particular hostility to Russia? China is a far worse country in most any respect, yet no one bats an eye. I wonder if skin color has anything to do with it.
• GVIrish 9y ago
  When Federal law enforcement takes down criminal enterprises they don't reveal the evidence they have until they're ready to take down the head(s) of the organization. The proof will come then. Right now they're just rolling up the smaller players so they can build a case against the bigger fish. All those plea deals being cut are not because Mueller has a weak hand.
  • dahdum 9y ago
    Have any of those charges included allegations of Russian collusion by Americans? All I remember is financial crimes and false statement charges (that were mostly benign or accidental when I looked). Has he made any statement or indication he’s close to something significant yet? Any special counsel looking for crimes in DC is going to find plenty, but I don’t see where Trump is implicated in any of these. The leaks from the FBI have been so voluminous and the Democrat incentive to leak them I doubt they are keeping secret evidence under wraps at this point.
    • ModernMech 9y ago
      > Have any of those charges included allegations of Russian collusion by Americans? Nope, but I wouldn't expect that because "collusion" isn't a crime on the books. > Any special counsel looking for crimes in DC is going to find plenty Ken Starr spent a lot of time looking for real estate investment crimes and only turned up with an extramarital affair. > The leaks from the FBI have been so voluminous and the Democrat incentive to leak them I doubt they are keeping secret evidence under wraps at this point. There have been zero leaks from the SP, which is distinct from the FBI. No one, not Congress, not the President, not the FBI knows what he has.
      • dahdum 9y ago
        The scope Mueller has is far broader than Ken Starr ever had, he seems to be looking for any crimes by anyone connected to Russia or Trump. Thus the tax evasion and very rare false statement charges. Mueller isn’t leaking, but those around him certainly are given how much info is coming out about his intentions, indictments, and activities. My guess is he’ll try to keep digging until he can find something, however minor or unrelated, on Trump. He’ll be looked at as a failure by so many if he doesn’t, so I get the pressure he’s under. Now if I’m wrong, and he has secret evidence that comes to light and ends Trump, I’ll be his biggest fan. Pence is a bit scary, but like 0% chance of Republicans winning in 2020 if that happens. Seems pretty unlikely at this point though.
• michaelgrosner2 9y ago
  "If it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer."
  • lamarpye 9y ago
    But it wasn't what "they" said. Because Trump never got any dirt on Hillary. I mean, how could there be any? Hillary would never do anything wrong.