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Agree this is a US problem and I don't understand why. It doesn't hurt me why you didn't select me. You didn't think I would fit in culturally. Ok, no worries

by jriot 9y ago

Agree this is a US problem and I don't understand why. It doesn't hurt me why you didn't select me. You didn't think I would fit in culturally. Ok, no worries. You didn't think I knew enough of what you wanted to know. Ok, no worries. You didn't like the way I was dressed. Ok, no worries. You weren't really hiring but were just testing the waters. Ok, probably won't apply again but no worries.

enraged_camel 9y ago
>>Agree this is a US problem and I don't understand why. Because the US has very severe issues related to racism, sexism, ageism and many other types of discrimination. So the laws are much tighter, which results in extreme caution and risk aversion on the part of employers.
- ag_camel 9y ago
  And other paces dont? Almost every country has severe issues related to all the above. In the US, we have litigation everywhere, you fall and slip in a supermarket? Lawsuit! You tripped over a pothole? Lawsuit! Heck, lawyers advertise to do this...
  - nemothekid 9y ago
    Part of this is we don't have a social safety net, like universal health insurance. >you fall and slip in a supermarket? Lawsuit! You fall and slip in a supermarket, due to a careless employee and now you owe hundred of thousands in medical bills. Some executive somewhere realized it was easier to extract that cash from a corporation than putting some person deep in debt. Secondly, I believe America's relationship with race/sex/age discrimination goes a lot deeper than most countries, despite the fact we are younger.
    - refurb 9y ago
      We don't have a social safety net? That's a surprise since 2/3rd of my federal taxes go to social programs!
  - zz32asdf 9y ago
    Talk about people that don't read enough outside of tech topics. They have the same issues, but a different historical context for treating them. In America, the first nation to be founded on a set of utilitarian guidelines, rather than random edict of a mad man claiming divine right, situations are codified in law As the industrial changes of the last 100 years lead to exploitation, laws sprang up and needed tweaking. I'm not saying it's perfect, but let me explain WHY these laws still exist and don't seem to change: because the public doesn't force the issue. They think they can go to their job and change things, then realize every 50 years or so that really not much did, because the social order codified in law didn't change. Google and Facebook aren't changing things; they're inventing new gadgets and bullshit. Change in human societies has ALWAYS come from the top-down administrative changes.
  - Spooky23 9y ago
    Because nobody wants to be caught holding the bag. I went to the ER once because of a bad reaction to a burrito. (Serious pain and my fiancé made me go) When I needed back surgery a few years later, I attracted the attention of my insurer’s subrogation team, who tried on several occasions to get me to state that I was in a car accident during the burrito incident. You get hurt in a big way, your insurer will make you sue.
- r00fus 9y ago
  I want to agree with you but other countries suffer from similar issues. Why is it different in the US?
Spooky23 9y ago
Because the way our laws protect protected classes make it trivial to hustle employers. I’ve been sued and served with human rights complaints for firing a sleeping employee (I wasn’t checking on the sleep/wake status of employees not in protected classes) and for allegedly terminating an employee because of their protected substance abuse issues. It’s an incredibly time consuming, expensive and stressful process.
- mathgladiator 9y ago
  Wait, now I have to Google protected substance abuse issues. How is this a thing?
  - futhey 9y ago
    Speculating but addiction is a disease, and corporate HR usually terminates for something like refusing to attend treatment / etc.
  - Spooky23 9y ago
    Good intentions and problematic incentives. Medical conditions give you certain protections for good reason -- otherwise employers would just fire employees with cancer to keep insurance rates down. 99/100 these things are good, but it takes a couple of jerks to make life miserable for all.

by jriot 9y ago

enraged_camel 9y ago

>>Agree this is a US problem and I don't understand why. Because the US has very severe issues related to racism, sexism, ageism and many other types of discrimination. So the laws are much tighter, which results in extreme caution and risk aversion on the part of employers.

ag_camel 9y ago
And other paces dont? Almost every country has severe issues related to all the above. In the US, we have litigation everywhere, you fall and slip in a supermarket? Lawsuit! You tripped over a pothole? Lawsuit! Heck, lawyers advertise to do this...
- nemothekid 9y ago
  Part of this is we don't have a social safety net, like universal health insurance. >you fall and slip in a supermarket? Lawsuit! You fall and slip in a supermarket, due to a careless employee and now you owe hundred of thousands in medical bills. Some executive somewhere realized it was easier to extract that cash from a corporation than putting some person deep in debt. Secondly, I believe America's relationship with race/sex/age discrimination goes a lot deeper than most countries, despite the fact we are younger.
  - refurb 9y ago
    We don't have a social safety net? That's a surprise since 2/3rd of my federal taxes go to social programs!
- zz32asdf 9y ago
  Talk about people that don't read enough outside of tech topics. They have the same issues, but a different historical context for treating them. In America, the first nation to be founded on a set of utilitarian guidelines, rather than random edict of a mad man claiming divine right, situations are codified in law As the industrial changes of the last 100 years lead to exploitation, laws sprang up and needed tweaking. I'm not saying it's perfect, but let me explain WHY these laws still exist and don't seem to change: because the public doesn't force the issue. They think they can go to their job and change things, then realize every 50 years or so that really not much did, because the social order codified in law didn't change. Google and Facebook aren't changing things; they're inventing new gadgets and bullshit. Change in human societies has ALWAYS come from the top-down administrative changes.
- Spooky23 9y ago
  Because nobody wants to be caught holding the bag. I went to the ER once because of a bad reaction to a burrito. (Serious pain and my fiancé made me go) When I needed back surgery a few years later, I attracted the attention of my insurer’s subrogation team, who tried on several occasions to get me to state that I was in a car accident during the burrito incident. You get hurt in a big way, your insurer will make you sue.
r00fus 9y ago
I want to agree with you but other countries suffer from similar issues. Why is it different in the US?

Spooky23 9y ago

Because the way our laws protect protected classes make it trivial to hustle employers. I’ve been sued and served with human rights complaints for firing a sleeping employee (I wasn’t checking on the sleep/wake status of employees not in protected classes) and for allegedly terminating an employee because of their protected substance abuse issues. It’s an incredibly time consuming, expensive and stressful process.

mathgladiator 9y ago
Wait, now I have to Google protected substance abuse issues. How is this a thing?
- futhey 9y ago
  Speculating but addiction is a disease, and corporate HR usually terminates for something like refusing to attend treatment / etc.
- Spooky23 9y ago
  Good intentions and problematic incentives. Medical conditions give you certain protections for good reason -- otherwise employers would just fire employees with cancer to keep insurance rates down. 99/100 these things are good, but it takes a couple of jerks to make life miserable for all.