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I'd be shocked, shocked to hear of any companies that didn't take data against Facebook's tos. I did a few Facebook integrations back in those days and none of

by mnm1 9y ago

I'd be shocked, shocked to hear of any companies that didn't take data against Facebook's tos. I did a few Facebook integrations back in those days and none of my employers have one fuck about us violating tos. This wasn't exclusive to Facebook integrations either.

matte_black 9y ago
This goes beyond Facebook too. Any service where a TOS can be violated gets violated. Every company I’ve been in has violated some TOS before to access or do things that were not allowed. It’s just the way things are in this industry.
gaius 9y ago
The TOS is meant to be violated, so they can boot you at any point for any whimsical reason in the future. If it wasn’t it would be enforced in the code
- Shish2k 9y ago
  How exactly does one enforce in the code a policy of "you can use the data you've collected for the purpose you stated, but you can't use it for any other purpose, nor share it"?
fbimplementer 9y ago
I worked at a large, well-known, consumer tech company on its Facebook integration. It absolutely did care about the Facebook TOS, had a contract with Facebook about what data could and could not be used and retained, and didn't share Facebook data beyond aggregated demographic information (age, gender, region). We were very careful not to do anything even remotely sketchy with the data. But this is the sort of company with a brand and something to lose, and a relationship with Facebook.
kwillets 9y ago
I implemented some of the TOS requirements at Zynga, and we did a lot of TOS vetting with the legal team. I personally nulled out some fields that TOS changes forbade, and AFAIK Zynga never had any interest in sharing or selling the data. However Facebook itself seemed willing to expand the TOS to extremes. At one point it was possible to get games that the user's friends were playing; I was amazed at whoever got them to agree to that.

by mnm1 9y ago

matte_black 9y ago

This goes beyond Facebook too. Any service where a TOS can be violated gets violated. Every company I’ve been in has violated some TOS before to access or do things that were not allowed. It’s just the way things are in this industry.

gaius 9y ago

The TOS is meant to be violated, so they can boot you at any point for any whimsical reason in the future. If it wasn’t it would be enforced in the code

Shish2k 9y ago
How exactly does one enforce in the code a policy of "you can use the data you've collected for the purpose you stated, but you can't use it for any other purpose, nor share it"?

fbimplementer 9y ago

I worked at a large, well-known, consumer tech company on its Facebook integration. It absolutely did care about the Facebook TOS, had a contract with Facebook about what data could and could not be used and retained, and didn't share Facebook data beyond aggregated demographic information (age, gender, region). We were very careful not to do anything even remotely sketchy with the data. But this is the sort of company with a brand and something to lose, and a relationship with Facebook.

kwillets 9y ago

I implemented some of the TOS requirements at Zynga, and we did a lot of TOS vetting with the legal team. I personally nulled out some fields that TOS changes forbade, and AFAIK Zynga never had any interest in sharing or selling the data. However Facebook itself seemed willing to expand the TOS to extremes. At one point it was possible to get games that the user's friends were playing; I was amazed at whoever got them to agree to that.