And just like there are plenty of crappy software developers, there are plenty of crappy PMs who choose not to listen to developers, and ignore all of that. Rec

And just like there are plenty of crappy software developers, there are plenty of crappy PMs who choose not to listen to developers, and ignore all of that. Recall the article about the toxic culture over at Take Two from yesterday. No matter how much push back happened, they would be met with "Tough. I guess you live here for the next 6 months."