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> If you want purity of intent in every transaction or contract you ever enter into then the world is going to be a very frustrating place. I do, and it is. I

> If you want purity of intent in every transaction or contract you ever enter into then the world is going to be a very frustrating place. I do, and it is. I don't think I get what you mean. Just because a lot of groups choose to lie about their intentions means that it's OK that Apple does the same?

weego 9y ago
But they aren't lying are they? "We care about your privacy" is not a lie just because they care out of necessary for their share price, it's just not the unreasonably ideal situation you want. You cannot reasonably expect everyone with the same goals to have perfectly aligned intent, and you certainly cannot expect a company of tens of thousands of people to all completely align their intent not only as a collective but also with you as an individual. If their goals shift, forced by their intent, you drop them. I can't see any other way to pragmatically get along or make progress in life.
- CaptSpify 9y ago
  I'd strongly argue that my view isn't about being ideal, it's the minimum. Fact: We don't know what they do with our data Fact: They refuse to show us what they do with our data, even though they could Fact: They have taken actions that, while I obviously don't have direct evidence of this, looks extremely like they are handing over control of other people's data to someone else, who is known to be abusive with it Fact: They can design their system in a way that avoids all of this, yet they continually choose not to All of this points in one direction, and there's very little evidence pointing in the other direction. It seems pretty obvious to me that their pro-privacy standpoint is all just smoke and mirrors. I'm sure they care to some extent, but they clearly value money over their user's privacy. If I say that I care about my health, but I eat terrible quality foods, don't exercise, and ignore people who try to encourage me to be healthier, then it it obvious that I don't care about my health, despite what I say.

weego 9y ago

But they aren't lying are they? "We care about your privacy" is not a lie just because they care out of necessary for their share price, it's just not the unreasonably ideal situation you want. You cannot reasonably expect everyone with the same goals to have perfectly aligned intent, and you certainly cannot expect a company of tens of thousands of people to all completely align their intent not only as a collective but also with you as an individual. If their goals shift, forced by their intent, you drop them. I can't see any other way to pragmatically get along or make progress in life.

CaptSpify 9y ago
I'd strongly argue that my view isn't about being ideal, it's the minimum. Fact: We don't know what they do with our data Fact: They refuse to show us what they do with our data, even though they could Fact: They have taken actions that, while I obviously don't have direct evidence of this, looks extremely like they are handing over control of other people's data to someone else, who is known to be abusive with it Fact: They can design their system in a way that avoids all of this, yet they continually choose not to All of this points in one direction, and there's very little evidence pointing in the other direction. It seems pretty obvious to me that their pro-privacy standpoint is all just smoke and mirrors. I'm sure they care to some extent, but they clearly value money over their user's privacy. If I say that I care about my health, but I eat terrible quality foods, don't exercise, and ignore people who try to encourage me to be healthier, then it it obvious that I don't care about my health, despite what I say.