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I really like the goals they picked, but wish "Native Look and feel" was also in there. I use Firefox as my primary browser on Windows, but on the Mac it still

I really like the goals they picked, but wish "Native Look and feel" was also in there. I use Firefox as my primary browser on Windows, but on the Mac it still feels significantly non-native. For instance, we're still missing rubber-band scrolling, Firefox still doesn't set the file attribute that causes the progress bars to be displayed on the Finder for each file and on the Downloads stack on the dock, on full screen the toolbar doesn't 'move down' along with the menu bar when I move my cursor to the top of the screen, there is still no pinch to zoom, the back/forward trackpad gestures and checkboxes/radio buttons are not animated, etc.

robin_reala 9y ago
If anyone wants to help out with any of those issues the respective bugs are: Rubber band scrolling: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1124108 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1124108 Downloads in Finder: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=909760 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=909760 Toolbar movement in full screen: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738335 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738335 Pinch to zoom: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688990 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688990 Animate back gesture: doesn’t seem to be a bug for this. Animated checkboxes: can’t find a bug for this either.
- TheCoreh 9y ago
  Thanks for posting these!
- ascom 9y ago
  There actually is an animated back gesture, but E10s sort of broke it: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1170032 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1170032
haxiomic 9y ago
The lack of trackpad gestures is very surprising in 2018. Fortunately it can be implemented with an addon but it's not perfect https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/multi-touch-zoom/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/multi-touch-z...
gpsx 9y ago
I would like to use Firefox but I still use Chrome as my main browser. Edge, in fact, is my secondary browser (I'm on windows) and I use Firefox last. The speed of Firefox is much better than before but it's appearance is very clunky, enough that this is the main reason I don't use it. There are also other ways the browser seems to lack polish. I don't say this as an attack. I see so many fawning comments about Firefox so I want to give my honest opinion.
- falcolas 9y ago
  A clunky appearance is a fairly subjective statement, could you clarify exactly what about the appearance doesn't work for you? I think that would provide somewhat more useful feedback. (I use Firefox on Windows, and personally don't view it as any more or less clunky than Chrome)
_frog 9y ago
I’ve been tracking some of the bugs related to this for years, and there’s been a dispiriting lack of progress in them. Ultimately I’m still a Firefox user because it makes the best trade offs for my particular wants and needs, but I’d love to be able to more enthusiasticallt recommend it to others for whom non-native feeling apps are a non-starter.
wst_ 9y ago
I love Firefox and it is my primary browser for years, on both - Mac and Windows, and it's not going to change anytime soon. Still, I feel Mac version is noticeably slower. Even though I disabled all extensions I can see the difference between Chrome and Firefox on Mac. Sometimes I can even see "naked" plain text page for a moment, before styling is applied (ex: on GitHub pages.)
- nachtigall 9y ago
  > Sometimes I can even see "naked" plain text page for a moment, before styling is applied (ex: on GitHub pages. Yes, I've seen the same on GitHub. Note sure this is a GitHub or Firefox bug. (I use Nightly). Could you maybe file a bug at bugzilla for this?
  - mythmon_ 9y ago
    This is called "Flash of unstyled content", and has been a bug since 57: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468 . In 57 the delay before initial drawing was removed, which mostly makes things feel faster, but sometimes makes things show up naked for a moment. In that bug you can see there are several things that can cause this, including website issues and certain extensions.
  - bzbarsky 9y ago
    Are you still seeing it on nightly after https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712130 was fixed? A bug report with steps to reproduce (even a link to the specific GitHub page involved would help) would be really useful if you are still seeing this. Please cc "bzbarsky". Also worth checking whether the problem persists with extensions disabled, if it's reproducible enough to do that with...
    - nachtigall 9y ago
      Thanks I'll file a bug if I see it again on a GitHub page. In fact, the last days I haven't noticed it anymore on GitHub pages... But, of course as stated in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468#c43 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468#c43 there a sites like http://www.jeuxvideo.com/ http://www.jeuxvideo.com/ which huge (1-2sec) FOUC in Firefox (not noticable in Chrome).
knodi 9y ago
Also on the MacOS you can't select text and see the speech option like Safari.

robin_reala 9y ago

If anyone wants to help out with any of those issues the respective bugs are: Rubber band scrolling: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1124108 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1124108 Downloads in Finder: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=909760 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=909760 Toolbar movement in full screen: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738335 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=738335 Pinch to zoom: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688990 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=688990 Animate back gesture: doesn’t seem to be a bug for this. Animated checkboxes: can’t find a bug for this either.

TheCoreh 9y ago
Thanks for posting these!
ascom 9y ago
There actually is an animated back gesture, but E10s sort of broke it: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1170032 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1170032

haxiomic 9y ago

The lack of trackpad gestures is very surprising in 2018. Fortunately it can be implemented with an addon but it's not perfect https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/multi-touch-zoom/ https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/multi-touch-z...

gpsx 9y ago

I would like to use Firefox but I still use Chrome as my main browser. Edge, in fact, is my secondary browser (I'm on windows) and I use Firefox last. The speed of Firefox is much better than before but it's appearance is very clunky, enough that this is the main reason I don't use it. There are also other ways the browser seems to lack polish. I don't say this as an attack. I see so many fawning comments about Firefox so I want to give my honest opinion.

falcolas 9y ago
A clunky appearance is a fairly subjective statement, could you clarify exactly what about the appearance doesn't work for you? I think that would provide somewhat more useful feedback. (I use Firefox on Windows, and personally don't view it as any more or less clunky than Chrome)

_frog 9y ago

I’ve been tracking some of the bugs related to this for years, and there’s been a dispiriting lack of progress in them. Ultimately I’m still a Firefox user because it makes the best trade offs for my particular wants and needs, but I’d love to be able to more enthusiasticallt recommend it to others for whom non-native feeling apps are a non-starter.

wst_ 9y ago

I love Firefox and it is my primary browser for years, on both - Mac and Windows, and it's not going to change anytime soon. Still, I feel Mac version is noticeably slower. Even though I disabled all extensions I can see the difference between Chrome and Firefox on Mac. Sometimes I can even see "naked" plain text page for a moment, before styling is applied (ex: on GitHub pages.)

nachtigall 9y ago
> Sometimes I can even see "naked" plain text page for a moment, before styling is applied (ex: on GitHub pages. Yes, I've seen the same on GitHub. Note sure this is a GitHub or Firefox bug. (I use Nightly). Could you maybe file a bug at bugzilla for this?
- mythmon_ 9y ago
  This is called "Flash of unstyled content", and has been a bug since 57: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468 . In 57 the delay before initial drawing was removed, which mostly makes things feel faster, but sometimes makes things show up naked for a moment. In that bug you can see there are several things that can cause this, including website issues and certain extensions.
- bzbarsky 9y ago
  Are you still seeing it on nightly after https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712130 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=712130 was fixed? A bug report with steps to reproduce (even a link to the specific GitHub page involved would help) would be really useful if you are still seeing this. Please cc "bzbarsky". Also worth checking whether the problem persists with extensions disabled, if it's reproducible enough to do that with...
  - nachtigall 9y ago
    Thanks I'll file a bug if I see it again on a GitHub page. In fact, the last days I haven't noticed it anymore on GitHub pages... But, of course as stated in https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468#c43 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1404468#c43 there a sites like http://www.jeuxvideo.com/ http://www.jeuxvideo.com/ which huge (1-2sec) FOUC in Firefox (not noticable in Chrome).

knodi 9y ago

Also on the MacOS you can't select text and see the speech option like Safari.