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This is indeed an alarming move of trying to censor gun information online is by far the most miguided approach to regulating guns I've seen thus far. There are

This is indeed an alarming move of trying to censor gun information online is by far the most miguided approach to regulating guns I've seen thus far. There aren't inherent risks to knowing the mechanics of physical items much less channels that deal with proper handling of guns or gun communities online. You are literally moving their communities further into the deepweb and making gun ownership a nefarious thing! Optics based bans are extremely frustrating and dissapointing to memembers of both reddit and youtube.

abraae 9y ago
Yeah, in my country you can own hunting or sporting weapons, e.g a rifle or shotgun, but it's almost impossible to posess a handgun for example, or a high capacity semi automatic weapon. But I have a tradition with my son of sending each other links of people in other countries shooting things up with their 50 cal machine guns and the like. I can't imagine why anyone would think that watching such things constitutes any kind of risk to anyone.
- talmand 9y ago
  Because such decisions are often based on emotion and not logic.
  - Frondo 9y ago
    Emotion is as much a part of the human decision-making process as logic, and it's sociopathic to act as though logic is the only part that matters. My favorite for-example: one of those old great libertarian thinkers applied libertarian principles to the parent-child relationship and decided that a law that compels a parent to feed a child is an immoral law; parents should be free to let their children starve to death. A triumph of logic over emotion? I guess, if you're okay with a society that permits parents to let their children starve to death without consequence.
    - talmand 9y ago
      Indeed, emotion is part of decision making and is often the cause of the wrong decision to be made. It is not logical to allow a child to starve to death. Using an argument that a law is immoral is more about emotion than logic.
    - zrobotics 9y ago
      While a valid point, there are times when we need to recognize that emotional reactions are best ignored. If I get cut off in traffic, the initial emotional response might be to ram the other person's vehicle or some other violent act. While anger is perfectly valid, in this situation it would be best avoided. I mean, the recent focus on violent video games is an entirely emotional reaction, but at this point there's been enough studies conducted that we can safely conclude that no, playing violent games doesn't contribute to real world violence, so we should let logic inform our emotional reactions.
- ataturk 9y ago
  Because the more mainstream it is, the less control the "they" (insert correct term here--damned if I know who "they" are but I am certain there is a "they" that desire servitude from as many people as possible because that's the game) have over us. Knowledge used to be something kept fairly secret because in the past it was hard to research how to do and make things. I used to have a lot of trouble finding information about my cars in order to work on them. The same experience repeats--you had to be in a club with like-minded people to bootstrap knowledge and people held on to manuals and homebrew documents created on a typewriter with annotations in the margins. Now all that knowledge has been dumped onto the Internet and is easy to find and videos make it fast to pick up. The problem with being in a club is that most of the personalities don't mix but the club controls the gateway to the knowledge. For a long, long time, gun clubs were loaded with Elmer Fudd types who looked down their noses and modern semi-automatic rifles and handguns. They only accepted typical hunting rifles and shotguns, the odd Browning semi-auto, maybe an M1 Garand or M1 Carbine for WWI and WII nostalgia, and of course, the cult of the 1911. But they didn't understand the 2nd Amendment, not like many of us do now. Because they didn't need to--there weren't vast armies of thug leftists trying to bludgeon the nation into some form of corporate collectivism. What has changed is manufacturing technology, not the guns themselves. Things have changed quite remarkably and those old ideas are disappearing, which is mostly good. What isn't good is that the knowledge, information, and yes we have the best selection of small arms in 150 years, is available to all at affordable prices. A few outliers are having problems dealing with the responsibility of it all. But we as a society can't cater to the least common denominator. We have laws to deal with criminality but lack the will to do so--hence why the Broward deputies didn't arrest that wacko during one of the 40 some times they were in contact with him. Either they directly desired his violent outburst for political reasons, or they were just too politically correct to act. Regardless of the details of each incident, we have a remedy in law and that is to punish the guilty and stoically move on. If the sheriff were to lose his job for being incompetent, all the better. Firearms are just one teeny part of what it takes to stop the oligarchy. Humans tipped the balance once before: When guns were invented and first arrived in Europe, commoners made good use of them shooting armored noblemen right off the backs of their horses because screw those guys. The scientific revolution being the direct result of the end of medieval period. We all owe a lot to firearms, they are the necessary evil for humanity.
snerbles 9y ago
> You are literally moving their communities further into the deepweb and making gun ownership a nefarious thing! For some, this is the intended outcome.

abraae 9y ago

Yeah, in my country you can own hunting or sporting weapons, e.g a rifle or shotgun, but it's almost impossible to posess a handgun for example, or a high capacity semi automatic weapon. But I have a tradition with my son of sending each other links of people in other countries shooting things up with their 50 cal machine guns and the like. I can't imagine why anyone would think that watching such things constitutes any kind of risk to anyone.

talmand 9y ago
Because such decisions are often based on emotion and not logic.
- Frondo 9y ago
  Emotion is as much a part of the human decision-making process as logic, and it's sociopathic to act as though logic is the only part that matters. My favorite for-example: one of those old great libertarian thinkers applied libertarian principles to the parent-child relationship and decided that a law that compels a parent to feed a child is an immoral law; parents should be free to let their children starve to death. A triumph of logic over emotion? I guess, if you're okay with a society that permits parents to let their children starve to death without consequence.
  - talmand 9y ago
    Indeed, emotion is part of decision making and is often the cause of the wrong decision to be made. It is not logical to allow a child to starve to death. Using an argument that a law is immoral is more about emotion than logic.
  - zrobotics 9y ago
    While a valid point, there are times when we need to recognize that emotional reactions are best ignored. If I get cut off in traffic, the initial emotional response might be to ram the other person's vehicle or some other violent act. While anger is perfectly valid, in this situation it would be best avoided. I mean, the recent focus on violent video games is an entirely emotional reaction, but at this point there's been enough studies conducted that we can safely conclude that no, playing violent games doesn't contribute to real world violence, so we should let logic inform our emotional reactions.
ataturk 9y ago
Because the more mainstream it is, the less control the "they" (insert correct term here--damned if I know who "they" are but I am certain there is a "they" that desire servitude from as many people as possible because that's the game) have over us. Knowledge used to be something kept fairly secret because in the past it was hard to research how to do and make things. I used to have a lot of trouble finding information about my cars in order to work on them. The same experience repeats--you had to be in a club with like-minded people to bootstrap knowledge and people held on to manuals and homebrew documents created on a typewriter with annotations in the margins. Now all that knowledge has been dumped onto the Internet and is easy to find and videos make it fast to pick up. The problem with being in a club is that most of the personalities don't mix but the club controls the gateway to the knowledge. For a long, long time, gun clubs were loaded with Elmer Fudd types who looked down their noses and modern semi-automatic rifles and handguns. They only accepted typical hunting rifles and shotguns, the odd Browning semi-auto, maybe an M1 Garand or M1 Carbine for WWI and WII nostalgia, and of course, the cult of the 1911. But they didn't understand the 2nd Amendment, not like many of us do now. Because they didn't need to--there weren't vast armies of thug leftists trying to bludgeon the nation into some form of corporate collectivism. What has changed is manufacturing technology, not the guns themselves. Things have changed quite remarkably and those old ideas are disappearing, which is mostly good. What isn't good is that the knowledge, information, and yes we have the best selection of small arms in 150 years, is available to all at affordable prices. A few outliers are having problems dealing with the responsibility of it all. But we as a society can't cater to the least common denominator. We have laws to deal with criminality but lack the will to do so--hence why the Broward deputies didn't arrest that wacko during one of the 40 some times they were in contact with him. Either they directly desired his violent outburst for political reasons, or they were just too politically correct to act. Regardless of the details of each incident, we have a remedy in law and that is to punish the guilty and stoically move on. If the sheriff were to lose his job for being incompetent, all the better. Firearms are just one teeny part of what it takes to stop the oligarchy. Humans tipped the balance once before: When guns were invented and first arrived in Europe, commoners made good use of them shooting armored noblemen right off the backs of their horses because screw those guys. The scientific revolution being the direct result of the end of medieval period. We all owe a lot to firearms, they are the necessary evil for humanity.

snerbles 9y ago

> You are literally moving their communities further into the deepweb and making gun ownership a nefarious thing! For some, this is the intended outcome.