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> Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "rel

> Please weigh your own personal hobby against our society's clear dysfunction when it comes to gun violence. Does the pleasure you get from learning about "reloading ammo for 100+ year old rifles" does not outweigh my desire for my son to not be shot at school? You're presenting a false dichotomy. I have seen no proven link between YouTube videos showing proper gun handling and gun violence. I say this as someone who hates guns, but most of the points you raise are not logically sound.

thecatspaw 9y ago
especially the 100year old rifle. Noone is going to shoot up a school with a karabiner
kevhito 9y ago
The parent did not complain about the ban being ineffective. He complained about it hurting his niche hobby. That's selfish. As for the argument that the ban is a bad idea because it is ineffective. I don't know if the ban will help. I'm not an expert, though it seems pretty obvious that our current situation isn't working so well. Do you think a ban will increase gun violence? How sure are you?
- int_19h 9y ago
  It's only selfish if the ban actually achieves some important social objective. But it doesn't, not really. You don't need any of that content to buy a gun and shoot up a school.
pjc50 9y ago
I have a very strong suspicion that the videos which lead to violence don't have to show any guns; it's more the conspiracy-theory and highly polarising right-wing politics stuff that leads to school shootings. The blog of the Austin bomber is a good example of all the "red flags".
onion2k 9y ago
I have seen no proven link between YouTube videos showing proper gun handling and gun violence. The suggestion that Youtube should wait until there's proof that videos they host cause harm is nonsense. A private corporation needs to be cautious otherwise they're opening themselves up to unnecessary risk from being sued by a plaintiff who manages to demonstrate harm (within the limits of a single specific case). YouTube doesn't have a moral duty to uphold freedom. They have a duty to protect their shareholders value. The government shouldn't ban things until there's proof that the thing is harmful to society (and even then there's a good argument that they shouldn't), but that's got nothing to do with what's happening here.

thecatspaw 9y ago

especially the 100year old rifle. Noone is going to shoot up a school with a karabiner

kevhito 9y ago

The parent did not complain about the ban being ineffective. He complained about it hurting his niche hobby. That's selfish. As for the argument that the ban is a bad idea because it is ineffective. I don't know if the ban will help. I'm not an expert, though it seems pretty obvious that our current situation isn't working so well. Do you think a ban will increase gun violence? How sure are you?

int_19h 9y ago
It's only selfish if the ban actually achieves some important social objective. But it doesn't, not really. You don't need any of that content to buy a gun and shoot up a school.

pjc50 9y ago

I have a very strong suspicion that the videos which lead to violence don't have to show any guns; it's more the conspiracy-theory and highly polarising right-wing politics stuff that leads to school shootings. The blog of the Austin bomber is a good example of all the "red flags".

onion2k 9y ago

I have seen no proven link between YouTube videos showing proper gun handling and gun violence. The suggestion that Youtube should wait until there's proof that videos they host cause harm is nonsense. A private corporation needs to be cautious otherwise they're opening themselves up to unnecessary risk from being sued by a plaintiff who manages to demonstrate harm (within the limits of a single specific case). YouTube doesn't have a moral duty to uphold freedom. They have a duty to protect their shareholders value. The government shouldn't ban things until there's proof that the thing is harmful to society (and even then there's a good argument that they shouldn't), but that's got nothing to do with what's happening here.