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I have a bad feeling that like the Snowden revelations and Occupy Wall Street these findings will actually embolden companies like Facebook and Cambridge Analyt

by shiado 9y ago

I have a bad feeling that like the Snowden revelations and Occupy Wall Street these findings will actually embolden companies like Facebook and Cambridge Analytica the same way the NSA and Wall Street banks were likely emboldened because it will once again prove that after a short outburst of moral outrage people will go back to being complacent without substantive change being enacted. They will get away with it and double down on the activity because they know that nothing will be done.

mr_spothawk 9y ago
that song about waking up and neutering the surveillance state keeps playing in my head.
visarga 9y ago
> after a short outburst of moral outrage people will go back to being complacent without substantive change being enacted But this time it's not just people, it's political parties and whole countries that are being affected.
AndrewKemendo 9y ago
In and of itself that's a signal that for some reason things like this don't seem to make the general public change their behavior en masse? I'd love to see some kind of reporting/study on why on average the general public does not respond to events you mention like Snowden/Manning/OWS/Bank Bailout and others. I mean at one point in time social movements in the US got things done like Temperance Movement, Womens Voting Rights, Civil Rights Movement etc... Maybe there is a larger narrative here that I'm missing, like each of these things are part of the anti-corporate movement or something.
- ShorsHammer 9y ago
  The Snowden revelations had a huge response, just not how you'd hope. There was a dropoff in government criticism and traffic to websites related to certain keywords. Was certainly a win for Eve. http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/277843-snowden-revelations-had-chilling-effect-on-web-browsing http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/277843-snowden-revel... https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2769645 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2769645
- chatmasta 9y ago
  Because people are too busy trying to survive until their next paycheck. Nobody has time to waste thinking about some vague overreach by a government agency.
  - vog 9y ago
    While I agree in general, I don't buy this argument with regard to Facebook. People aren't "too busy" to waste a lot of time on Facebook. If anything, tight time constraints would make people not use Facebook in the first place.
ric2b 9y ago
> the same way the NSA and Wall Street banks were likely emboldened because it will once again prove that after a short outburst of moral outrage people will go back to being complacent without substantive change being enacted Stopping the NSA or changing Wall Street requires significant political power and cooperation, stopping Facebook from snooping on you requires individuals to stop using a website and maybe install a browser extension. They're not comparable at all.

by shiado 9y ago

mr_spothawk 9y ago

that song about waking up and neutering the surveillance state keeps playing in my head.

visarga 9y ago

> after a short outburst of moral outrage people will go back to being complacent without substantive change being enacted But this time it's not just people, it's political parties and whole countries that are being affected.

AndrewKemendo 9y ago

In and of itself that's a signal that for some reason things like this don't seem to make the general public change their behavior en masse? I'd love to see some kind of reporting/study on why on average the general public does not respond to events you mention like Snowden/Manning/OWS/Bank Bailout and others. I mean at one point in time social movements in the US got things done like Temperance Movement, Womens Voting Rights, Civil Rights Movement etc... Maybe there is a larger narrative here that I'm missing, like each of these things are part of the anti-corporate movement or something.

ShorsHammer 9y ago
The Snowden revelations had a huge response, just not how you'd hope. There was a dropoff in government criticism and traffic to websites related to certain keywords. Was certainly a win for Eve. http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/277843-snowden-revelations-had-chilling-effect-on-web-browsing http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/277843-snowden-revel... https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2769645 https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2769645
chatmasta 9y ago
Because people are too busy trying to survive until their next paycheck. Nobody has time to waste thinking about some vague overreach by a government agency.
- vog 9y ago
  While I agree in general, I don't buy this argument with regard to Facebook. People aren't "too busy" to waste a lot of time on Facebook. If anything, tight time constraints would make people not use Facebook in the first place.

ric2b 9y ago

> the same way the NSA and Wall Street banks were likely emboldened because it will once again prove that after a short outburst of moral outrage people will go back to being complacent without substantive change being enacted Stopping the NSA or changing Wall Street requires significant political power and cooperation, stopping Facebook from snooping on you requires individuals to stop using a website and maybe install a browser extension. They're not comparable at all.